the most likely scenario as i see it

[Caroline]

Movement of the eyes denotes lying.

Hmmmmmm - http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolkinseygoman/2012/07/24/busting-5-body-language-myths/#42757347546b

[lookout]

Hmmmmmm - http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolkinseygoman/2012/07/24/busting-5-body-language-myths/#42757347546b

I can't get into that as I've just been warned of something by Mozilla about activity in my IP address ? So I'll have to sort whatever it is.

[Caroline]

I can't get into that as I've just been warned of something by Mozilla about activity in my IP address ? So I'll have to sort whatever it is.

I'll just copy and paste the relevant text. It seems eye movement or eyes in general are subjective and have to be taken into consideration with the rest of the body language. Interesting.

2. Liars don’t make eye contact.

The biggest body language myth about liars is that they avoid eye contact. While some liars (especially children) find it difficult to lie while looking you in the eyes, most liars, especial the most brazen, actually overcompensate to “prove” that they are not lying by making too much eye contact and holding it too long.

There is, however, one nonverbal signal that I’ve noticed often follows a less-than-truthful response, and it does require breaking eye contact: After speaking, some liars immediately look down and away, then back at you again in a brief glimpse to see if you bought the falsehood.

[Jane]

I'll just copy and paste the relevant text. It seems eye movement or eyes in general are subjective and have to be taken into consideration with the rest of the body language. Interesting.

2. Liars don’t make eye contact.

The biggest body language myth about liars is that they avoid eye contact. While some liars (especially children) find it difficult to lie while looking you in the eyes, most liars, especial the most brazen, actually overcompensate to “prove” that they are not lying by making too much eye contact and holding it too long.

There is, however, one nonverbal signal that I’ve noticed often follows a less-than-truthful response, and it does require breaking eye contact: After speaking, some liars immediately look down and away, then back at you again in a brief glimpse to see if you bought the falsehood.

That last point is the one certain thing which has always caused alarm bells to ring. It's often the moment when a liar wonders if the listener has sussed them and it makes maintaining eye contact uncomfortable so they have to avert their glance.

[lookout]

I would think that anyone with half an eye could see whether a person is lying or not. It's not a gift,it's a psychological reaction of the person who's being lied to,such as " built-in " interpretation,in an adult. It depends how alert one is too.
It's easier to lie if there are distractions such as flicking pages over of documents you're handling, as police do while still talking.
 Prisoners, as well as police,when being questioned,should both be made to put the palms of their hands flat to the table,to prevent fiddling or gesticulating as both actions are tantamount to avoiding the truth as a way of diverting from it. There's no need for physical actions when telling the truth. Eyes transfixed to your opponent and no raised voices. Above all,no tears,that's play-acting. There's no need for tears when you're telling the truth.

Eyes going all over the place is a bad sign,but if eyes are force-fixed,they'll start to water and that's when you get a hint that all isn't as it seems. It's caused by tension which is another giveaway. People should be at their more relaxed stage when telling the truth as they've literally nothing to worry about so no build-up of tension. In fact,the more laid-back the better.It annoys everyone because of your confidence and surety of innocence.


I think an air of pomposity and arrogance covers that.

[Caroline]

I would think that anyone with half an eye could see whether a person is lying or not. It's not a gift,it's a psychological reaction of the person who's being lied to,such as " built-in " interpretation,in an adult. It depends how alert one is too.
It's easier to lie if there are distractions such as flicking pages over of documents you're handling, as police do while still talking.
 Prisoners, as well as police,when being questioned,should both be made to put the palms of their hands flat to the table,to prevent fiddling or gesticulating as both actions are tantamount to avoiding the truth as a way of diverting from it. There's no need for physical actions when telling the truth. Eyes transfixed to your opponent and no raised voices. Above all,no tears,that's play-acting. There's no need for tears when you're telling the truth.

Eyes going all over the place is a bad sign,but if eyes are force-fixed,they'll start to water and that's when you get a hint that all isn't as it seems. It's caused by tension which is another giveaway. People should be at their more relaxed stage when telling the truth as they've literally nothing to worry about so no build-up of tension. In fact,the more laid-back the better.It annoys everyone because of your confidence and surety of innocence.


I think an air of pomposity and arrogance covers that.

If it was as easy as this Lookout, no one would get away with lying. It's far more complex 

[Jane]

I would think that anyone with half an eye could see whether a person is lying or not. It's not a gift,it's a psychological reaction of the person who's being lied to,such as " built-in " interpretation,in an adult. It depends how alert one is too.
It's easier to lie if there are distractions such as flicking pages over of documents you're handling, as police do while still talking.
 Prisoners, as well as police,when being questioned,should both be made to put the palms of their hands flat to the table,to prevent fiddling or gesticulating as both actions are tantamount to avoiding the truth as a way of diverting from it. There's no need for physical actions when telling the truth. Eyes transfixed to your opponent and no raised voices. Above all,no tears,that's play-acting. There's no need for tears when you're telling the truth.

Eyes going all over the place is a bad sign,but if eyes are force-fixed,they'll start to water and that's when you get a hint that all isn't as it seems. It's caused by tension which is another giveaway. People should be at their more relaxed stage when telling the truth as they've literally nothing to worry about so no build-up of tension. In fact,the more laid-back the better.It annoys everyone because of your confidence and surety of innocence.


I think an air of pomposity and arrogance covers that.

Palms on the table would certainly have put paid to Jeremy playing with/chewing a loose thread from his sweater. However, tears aren't as easily controlled if one is sincere, NOR should it be necessary to APPEAR relaxed. That could denote a cover for a build up of tension.

[lookout]

If it was as easy as this Lookout, no one would get away with lying. It's far more complex 

It shouldn't be complex though,should it ? 

[lookout]

Palms on the table would certainly have put paid to Jeremy playing with/chewing a loose thread from his sweater. However, tears aren't as easily controlled if one is sincere, NOR should it be necessary to APPEAR relaxed. That could denote a cover for a build up of tension.

This goes for anyone,JB too,except that he was noted for his arrogance ?,of being sure of himself ( without the usual swagger )
When I'm sure of myself,I'm at my most relaxed. It's when you're not sure that tension plays a part.

[Jane]

It shouldn't be complex though,should it ? 

There ARE no should's or shouldn'ts, Lookout -THEY are about fantasy- and yearning for them to have their place won't make it so. Life is about is and is nots, which constitute FACT.

[Jane]

This goes for anyone,JB too,except that he was noted for his arrogance ?,of being sure of himself ( without the usual swagger )
When I'm sure of myself,I'm at my most relaxed. It's when you're not sure that tension plays a part.

I would think that anyone with half an eye could see whether a person is lying or not. It's not a gift,it's a psychological reaction of the person who's being lied to,such as " built-in " interpretation,in an adult. It depends how alert one is too.
It's easier to lie if there are distractions such as flicking pages over of documents you're handling, as police do while still talking.
 Prisoners, as well as police,when being questioned,should both be made to put the palms of their hands flat to the table,to prevent fiddling or gesticulating as both actions are tantamount to avoiding the truth as a way of diverting from it. There's no need for physical actions when telling the truth. Eyes transfixed to your opponent and no raised voices. Above all,no tears,that's play-acting. There's no need for tears when you're telling the truth.

Eyes going all over the place is a bad sign,but if eyes are force-fixed,they'll start to water and that's when you get a hint that all isn't as it seems. It's caused by tension which is another giveaway. People should be at their more relaxed stage when telling the truth as they've literally nothing to worry about so no build-up of tension. In fact,the more laid-back the better.It annoys everyone because of your confidence and surety of innocence.


I think an air of pomposity and arrogance covers that.

So having laid down the above code, are you now exempting Jeremy from it because of.....................?

[Steve_uk]

Was he ever known to panic in any given situation? His birth parents seem to have demonstrated the same equanimity..

[lookout]

There ARE no should's or shouldn'ts, Lookout -THEY are about fantasy- and yearning for them to have their place won't make it so. Life is about is and is nots, which constitute FACT.

As well as the haves and have-nots,eh ?

[Jane]

As well as the haves and have-nots,eh ?

It will always be thus, Lookout. Utopia like communism only works in theory.  We are free to spend what we have as we see fit. Some, because they have little, will be careful. Others will gamble on getting more. For VERY few, it may pay off. For the rest, the majority, they'll be left in debt.

[Jane]

Was he ever known to panic in any given situation? His birth parents seem to have demonstrated the same equanimity..

They certainly appear to have had their lives under control. Of course, we have know way of knowing how it affected them.