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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2016, 04:48:PM »
No, others had the motive, and the means, and the knowledge of how to draw Jeremy into the fray. If they couldn't get him to come to the farm on his own so that they could kill him as well, they still left Sheila alive but deranged, to take the rap. There were several people who knew how to get into and out of whf and making it look like an inside job. There were several people who stood to benefit financially by Jeremy either (a) being shot dead, or (b) being convicted for 'all' the murders. Those same people are behind the presentation of the key silencer, blood and paint evidence, which everyone can see was 'dishonest' in its presentation. I have more answers to anything that a person like you with a shallow mind, and virtually no experience of being the victim of police corruption and witness dishonesty tactics, could ever raise about this case. I have always sought to maintain that Sheila was in some way responsible for, or in some other way responsible for the deaths of the others, but that she did not kill herself, and that Jeremy did not shoot her either...

This is a forum, and I can say what I want,  providing that at the time I say it, or at the time I said it, that I believed it to be true when I said it. It is irrellevant that on some other occasion I may have said something which appears to contradict or to be at odds with something else I have said elsewhere. This is a forum, not a witness box, I set it up for the purpose of debate, not for anyone to simply make one statement about any topic without having a number of different views or opinions about the same matter. Now, if your not happy with that, run along back to red and tell everybody what a great job you did in putting me in my place...
Mike, surely if the phone call was to lure Jeremy to WHF, they would have said different to what was suggested that had been said, anyone who had planned this would have told Ralph to tell Jeremy,  Get over here son your mothers had a heart attack, not come quick your sister has a gun for fear of Jeremy phoning the police?  The last thing they would have wanted was the police? What about the phone call to the police that Ralph was supposed to have made, did the attacker allow him this?

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2016, 05:14:PM »
Sheila,s bed had not been slept in. What was she doing/

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2016, 05:43:PM »
Sheila,s bed had not been slept in. What was she doing/

It doesn't take long to make a bed and fluff up cushions.
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2016, 05:48:PM »
So you think they could have been the last to be killed then?

My theory would only be a speculative guess
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2016, 06:18:PM »
No, others had the motive, and the means, and the knowledge of how to draw Jeremy into the fray. If they couldn't get him to come to the farm on his own so that they could kill him as well, they still left Sheila alive but deranged, to take the rap. There were several people who knew how to get into and out of whf and making it look like an inside job. There were several people who stood to benefit financially by Jeremy either (a) being shot dead, or (b) being convicted for 'all' the murders. Those same people are behind the presentation of the key silencer, blood and paint evidence, which everyone can see was 'dishonest' in its presentation. I have more answers to anything that a person like you with a shallow mind, and virtually no experience of being the victim of police corruption and witness dishonesty tactics, could ever raise about this case. I have always sought to maintain that Sheila was in some way responsible for, or in some other way responsible for the deaths of the others, but that she did not kill herself, and that Jeremy did not shoot her either...

This is a forum, and I can say what I want,  providing that at the time I say it, or at the time I said it, that I believed it to be true when I said it. It is irrellevant that on some other occasion I may have said something which appears to contradict or to be at odds with something else I have said elsewhere. This is a forum, not a witness box, I set it up for the purpose of debate, not for anyone to simply make one statement about any topic without having a number of different views or opinions about the same matter. Now, if your not happy with that, run along back to red and tell everybody what a great job you did in putting me in my place...

Your beliefs are baseless, it is evidence which counts.  The evidence implicates Jeremy and exonerates Sheila, it's as simple as that.  Blaming the family or attempting to introduce a nobel cause conspiracy by police are supported by neither loigic nor evidence I'm afraid.

You notion of libel is flawed, could I suggest you consult the resident barrister before you fall into the huge hole you have dug for yourself.

One could be forgiven for thinking you had some ulterior motive for trying to get Bamber released?
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 06:26:PM by John »

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2016, 07:07:PM »
No, others had the motive, and the means, and the knowledge of how to draw Jeremy into the fray. If they couldn't get him to come to the farm on his own so that they could kill him as well, they still left Sheila alive but deranged, to take the rap. There were several people who knew how to get into and out of whf and making it look like an inside job. There were several people who stood to benefit financially by Jeremy either (a) being shot dead, or (b) being convicted for 'all' the murders. Those same people are behind the presentation of the key silencer, blood and paint evidence, which everyone can see was 'dishonest' in its presentation. I have more answers to anything that a person like you with a shallow mind, and virtually no experience of being the victim of police corruption and witness dishonesty tactics, could ever raise about this case. I have always sought to maintain that Sheila was in some way responsible for, or in some other way responsible for the deaths of the others, but that she did not kill herself, and that Jeremy did not shoot her either...

This is a forum, and I can say what I want,  providing that at the time I say it, or at the time I said it, that I believed it to be true when I said it. It is irrellevant that on some other occasion I may have said something which appears to contradict or to be at odds with something else I have said elsewhere. This is a forum, not a witness box, I set it up for the purpose of debate, not for anyone to simply make one statement about any topic without having a number of different views or opinions about the same matter. Now, if your not happy with that, run along back to red and tell everybody what a great job you did in putting me in my place...
One has to admit this is a very well written piece.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2016, 07:33:PM »
the possible "facts" listed above do not cover who the murderer might have been ,,,
and the list does not make a complete theory ...
it's just a list of facts to debate - and there is already a lot of points to debate without taking it off topic ...

So i will go no comment on who it might have been at this stage ...

But feel free to say you opinion on any of the possibilities listed above please ...

With regards the possibilities above and now taking into consideration David1819 new claims that Sheila was culpable. What are your thoughts Sherlock?
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2016, 07:34:PM »
more likely than not because :


The Police told the nations most senior journalists at a major Press conference in september 1985 that there had been a report of a hunched up man being seen leaving the area - he was seen and not stopped - this is what the Police told the Press - and this is where the hunched up man theory originated ...


(This is just one example of how this list of facts are not contradicted  by any of the possible evidence in this case ...)

It blows this theory right out the window for starters..

And this  :-\

Sheila did not do it -it is possible but not so likely - lack of forensics ...

Lack of forensics?!
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 07:37:PM by Stephanie »
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2016, 08:17:PM »
Your beliefs are baseless, it is evidence which counts.  The evidence implicates Jeremy and exonerates Sheila, it's as simple as that.  Blaming the family or attempting to introduce a nobel cause conspiracy by police are supported by neither loigic nor evidence I'm afraid.

You notion of libel is flawed, could I suggest you consult the resident barrister before you fall into the huge hole you have dug for yourself.

One could be forgiven for thinking you had some ulterior motive for trying to get Bamber released?

You are obviously a fruit cake, you do not gave any concept of what constitutes evidence, unless of course, it suits your purpose. Run back to red and practice your nonsense there. There's an abundance of evidence pointing to Sheila's involvement, you can't see it, and you can't recognise it because you don't want to see it, and you don't want to recognise it. Your brain dead...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2016, 11:58:PM »
You are obviously a fruit cake, you do not gave any concept of what constitutes evidence, unless of course, it suits your purpose. Run back to red and practice your nonsense there. There's an abundance of evidence pointing to Sheila's involvement, you can't see it, and you can't recognise it because you don't want to see it, and you don't want to recognise it. Your brain dead...

As to being a fruitcake I'm not the one who posts to himself constantly day after day...   ;D

There is no evidence whatsoever pointing to Sheila's involvement and mores to the point you can't produce any so dream on!

I deal in FACTS, not FICTION!!
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2016, 12:07:AM »
As to being a fruitcake I'm not the one who posts to himself constantly day after day...   ;D

There is no evidence whatsoever pointing to Sheila's involvement and mores to the point you can't produce any so dream on!

I deal in FACTS, not FICTION!!

I can talk to myself as much as I want to, anyway what you say can't even be true because if your reading everything I' m posting then I can't be writing everything just to myself, because your reading everything, unless your not, then its a case of how do you know I'm writing all these things to myself, if your not reading them?
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2016, 12:14:AM »
I can talk to myself as much as I want to, anyway what you say can't even be true because if your reading everything I' m posting then I can't be writing everything just to myself, because your reading everything, unless your not, then its a case of how do you know I'm writing all these things to myself, if your not reading them?

I felt sorry for you so I answered your posts.  Night night

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2016, 08:16:AM »
One thing which is 100% certain is that Jeremy Bamber was not present inside the farmhouse when any members of his family got shot, or killed...

He did not shoot his father or his mother, and he did not shoot or kill the two children...

The cops know with 100% accuracy that Sheila, had an accomplice to help her to overpower, subdue, manipulate, shoot and kill the others. The hunched man seen leaving the grounds of whf at just before 5am walked off in the general direction of Prentice farm. He was spotted by PC Myall, the facts detailing this are basically recorded in a police document which was entitled, ' MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT', and reference to the identity of this 'unknown male person' is the first entry, numbered 001 in that document. We know that this man was seen by PC Myall and quite possibly by PS Bews, originally upon arrival at the scene before Jeremy's astra arrived in pages lane with Jeremy inside it. That police saw this hunched man walking into the driveway of the farmhouse from the location where pages lane and the farm entrance commences. As the cops pulled up opposite the farm cottages in their patrol car, the cops got a very brief glimpse of the hunched man retreating into the driveway of the farmhouse. Minutes later, after Jeremy turned up in his car, and Myall, Bews and Jeremy went into the grounds of the farmhouse, Myall was convinced that figure seen at the upstairs window was the same hunched man they had seen outside some 15 minutes or so earlier. This fact caucaused Myall, Bews and Jeremy, to hurry back to the patrol car (CA07) that was parked up in pages lane, where PS Bews then passed a 'situation report' to the control room making mention of the aforementioned sightings, adding a request for the firearm team to be deployed because of the possibility that the incident could by now have escalated into a siege situation. Once this was done, Bews and Myall returned to the grounds of the farmhouse, leaving Jeremy at the patrol car parked in Pages lane in the company of PS Saxby. Between then, and the arrival of PS Adams and his firearm crew arrived (5am), the only other thing worthy of note, what was seen and reported on, was the fact that Myall saw the hunched man walking out of the grounds of the farmhouse in the general direction of Prentice Farm...

This is all true...

At one stage or other during the later investigation into these shootings, cops have tried relentlessly to identify the hunched man, so that he can be eliminated from police enquiries, or provide them with information about what might have happened, or gone wrong inside the farmhouse before police arrived? At one time, or another, cops suspected the hunched man might have been, Freddie Emani, Mathew McDonald, and one of two local farmers, cops knew had been in dispute with Ralph Neville Bamber in the not too distant past. Additionally, cops turned their attention to a list of Campers who had been renting a field nearby at the time of the shootings...
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=732.0;attach=3200;image

Strange it doesn't mention in the communication logs, 0402, they approach house on foot with Jeremy, 0409 No sign of life in the house, all lights on in the house and dogs going berserk, Jeremy says dogs are normally quite?  So they have radioed back no sign of life? They then back off from house. If at this stage they had seen anything they would have said figure seen in driveway earlier, all they said was no sign of life, nothing to hide at this stage.  It was quite obvious there was no sign of life, they did not stop long and the dogs were going berserk at this stage, normally quite and Bamber has said his Dad would have been out if he smelt a fox in the garden.  0411 request for firearms team from CA7, this would have been normal given the fact it was reported by Jeremy, sister going berserk with a gun, no sign of life in the house and the dogs which were normally quite going berserk.  So in the space of 9 mins they had walked to the farm, done a observation, did not like the fact (with Bambers presence) that there was lights on, dogs going berserk and no sign of life, then backed of and radioed for assistance.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2016, 08:58:AM »
Mike, how do believe Sheila committed the massacre ?
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2016, 11:42:AM »
I felt sorry for you so I answered your posts.  Night night

Feel sorry for yourself, I don't need any sympathy from you or anyone...
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