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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2016, 02:22:PM »
No, you are wrong again, firstly because Ann Eaton told cops that it was a well known fact to all the family that a spare key to the farmhouse door was always kept in the shed, and secondly it was the relatives themselves who first suggested that the killer had entered and exited the farmhouse via the window route. And in any event, Jeremy has never been linked with the 'Savage' combination weapon that made the marks on the back of Ralph Bambers  neck. But, the relatives (Boutflors and Eatons) were close friends of Bunting who handed the gun in question over to cops...

You cannot answer that point can you?   Only Jeremy Bamber had the Motive, the Means and the Opportunity to carry out the murders.  You got nowhere by blaming Sherila as the evidence contradicts your claims so now you invent this huge conspiracy involving the extended family and the police.  Laughable really!
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2016, 02:24:PM »
You cannot answer that point can you?   Only Jeremy Bamber had the Motive, the Means and the Opportunity to carry out the murders.  You got nowhere by blaming Sherila as the evidence contradicts your claims so now you invent this huge conspiracy involving the extended family and the police.  Laughable really!

There's only you laughing...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2016, 02:28:PM »
A weapon with the combination of two different barrel features, made the distinctive marks on the back of Ralph Bambers neck. Bunting handed over such a weapon to the cops. He refused to name the two people who had given the gun to him, claiming that this was privileged information. Now, one of the two people who gave Bunting these guns could not have been Sheila Caffell, because she was dead...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2016, 02:30:PM »
Cops took possession of this gun from Bunting...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2016, 02:32:PM »
Cops took possession of this gun from Bunting...

Cops would have been fully aware of the significance of the muzzle design of this 'combination' Savage weapon, and similar marks on the back of MR Bamber seniors neck...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2016, 02:32:PM »
There's only you laughing...

But you can't answer the question.   ;D

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2016, 03:41:PM »
As you all know i am working on many theories ...

But on the balance of probabilities these are the most likely facts ...

Sheila did not do it -it is possible but not so likely - lack of forensics ...

Jeremy did not do it himself - zero evidence to suggest he did - not even Julie claimed this - no previous incidents of violence - no marks etc on him - bike ride unlikely ...

WPC Jeaves was not mistaken about the rifle in the window - unlikely she was mistaken ...

Therefore most likely a third party was in the property when Jeremy was outside ...

More likely there were 2 shooters than 1 - how was Neville at 6 foot 4 and a physically fit farmer overcome and battered - more likely by 2 than 1 ...

More likely Neville was forced to phone Jeremy - the 3 burn marks - he waited 2 or 3 minutes for Jeremy to answer the phone and then only had time for a very few words ...

More likely that David Boutflour and at least one other set Jeremy up with the silencer - he made a slip of the tongue in a video which tells me this is more likely than not ...

Because of all of the above it is more likely than not the Julies "confession" was false ...

More likely than not that whoever the 2 shooters were they were also conneced with the set up of the silencer and forcing Julie to make her false confession ...

More likely than not that Essex Police were not involved in fitting Jeremy up - based on the statistics of how often they do and do not do this in criminal cases ...

Of course some or all of the above could well be wrong ...

But these are the most likely facts in my opinion after studying this case at length ...

One more thing - it is more likely than not that Adanm is going to dispute this with a very long list - more likely than not that Stephanie is going to attemp to sarcasticly rubbish this post whilst accusing me of being Mike - more likely than not that Caroline is going to back her up albeit in a slightly more intelligent way - and more likely than not that Maggie is going to be kept busy moderating this thread should it develop ...

I hope it is also more likely than not that one or two of you may find it interesting ...  :))
I know I keep harping on, but I will keep on harping. The twins had been executed by more than one magazine load.
How could one person keep three adults at bay by themselves? There had to have been two imo.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2016, 03:44:PM »
You cannot answer that point can you?   Only Jeremy Bamber had the Motive, the Means and the Opportunity to carry out the murders.  You got nowhere by blaming Sherila as the evidence contradicts your claims so now you invent this huge conspiracy involving the extended family and the police.  Laughable really!

No, others had the motive, and the means, and the knowledge of how to draw Jeremy into the fray. If they couldn't get him to come to the farm on his own so that they could kill him as well, they still left Sheila alive but deranged, to take the rap. There were several people who knew how to get into and out of whf and making it look like an inside job. There were several people who stood to benefit financially by Jeremy either (a) being shot dead, or (b) being convicted for 'all' the murders. Those same people are behind the presentation of the key silencer, blood and paint evidence, which everyone can see was 'dishonest' in its presentation. I have more answers to anything that a person like you with a shallow mind, and virtually no experience of being the victim of police corruption and witness dishonesty tactics, could ever raise about this case. I have always sought to maintain that Sheila was in some way responsible for, or in some other way responsible for the deaths of the others, but that she did not kill herself, and that Jeremy did not shoot her either...

This is a forum, and I can say what I want,  providing that at the time I say it, or at the time I said it, that I believed it to be true when I said it. It is irrellevant that on some other occasion I may have said something which appears to contradict or to be at odds with something else I have said elsewhere. This is a forum, not a witness box, I set it up for the purpose of debate, not for anyone to simply make one statement about any topic without having a number of different views or opinions about the same matter. Now, if your not happy with that, run along back to red and tell everybody what a great job you did in putting me in my place...
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2016, 03:54:PM »
I know I keep harping on, but I will keep on harping. The twins had been executed by more than one magazine load.
How could one person keep three adults at bay by themselves? There had to have been two imo.

I take it you are basing the above on the order in which you believe the murders occurred?
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2016, 04:02:PM »
I take it you are basing the above on the order in which you believe the murders occurred?
I am assuming this because one of the twins was still sucking his thumb, meaning to me he was not disturbed. If three adults were screaming for there lives they would have woken.

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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2016, 04:06:PM »
I am assuming this because one of the twins was still sucking his thumb, meaning to me he was not disturbed. If three adults were screaming for there lives they would have woken.

Not necessarily, some children that age can sleep through a hurricane. As can some adults.
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2016, 04:09:PM »
Not necessarily, some children that age can sleep through a hurricane. As can some adults.
So you think they could have been the last to be killed then?

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2016, 04:23:PM »
I think they were probably killed first, shocking as it is to contemplate that evil visitant creeping into this room to practise whether the rifle was in working order.
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Re: the most likely scenario as i see it
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2016, 04:29:PM »
I think they were probably killed first, shocking as it is to contemplate that evil visitant creeping into this room to practise whether the rifle was in working order.

Steve I think the twins were killed after Ralph and June but not sure about them and Sheila :(

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2016, 04:39:PM »
Steve I think the twins were killed after Ralph and June but not sure about them and Sheila :(
No ralph was downstairs making a racket, June was upstairs.