the most likely scenario as i see it

[lookout]

So having laid down the above code, are you now exempting Jeremy from it because of.....................?

Well,in view of the list of undisclosed evidence,etc etc and JB's " behaviour " and general so-called attitude,I'd have said he was innocent of any charges of murder because he simply had no idea what happened that night and made no preparation to defend himself as a criminal would have done.   

[sami]

Was he ever known to panic in any given situation? His birth parents seem to have demonstrated the same equanimity..

true steve plus some people are far more talented at staying cool under pressure

[Jane]

Well,in view of the list of undisclosed evidence,etc etc and JB's " behaviour " and general so-called attitude,I'd have said he was innocent of any charges of murder because he simply had no idea what happened that night and made no preparation to defend himself as a criminal would have done.   

Well, perhaps we should endeavour to look at his attitude from a perspective of anyone rather than him.

I reckon, that because I see everything as being a grey area, that I'd be far more likely, than you, for whom things are only black or white, to make allowances for someone's behaviours. However, had I been questioning Jeremy and experiencing the behaviours he exhibited, I most definitely would have doubted his innocence. It appears to me that he was (deliberately?) discourteous in the extreme. That he appeared, with his thread pulling, tuneless humming and frequent "No comments" to be sticking his fingers up at those who were doing their job. As an entirely innocent person, he could have AFFORDED them courtesy and his full attention. You may believe JEREMY is innocent but if ANY other person had responded in the way he did when being questioned, I wonder if you'd have given them the same benefit of doubt.

[sami]

i know if it were me ,every time i see a camera or reporter i would be screaming iam innocent and didnt do it ,not smiling.he really thought the police could prove nothing against him.as for being prapeard he didnt see any need for it ,as he thought he had gotaway with it

[Jane]

i know if it were me ,every time i see a camera or reporter i would be screaming iam innocent and didnt do it ,not smiling.he really thought the police could prove nothing against him.as for being prapeard he didnt see any need for it ,as he thought he had gotaway with it

That is certainly the impression he conveyed. A profiler MAY have observed something other but policemen are neither trained psychologists nor capable of looking any deeper that what's presented.

[sami]

As you all know i am working on many theories ...

But on the balance of probabilities these are the most likely facts ...

Sheila did not do it -it is possible but not so likely - lack of forensics ...

Jeremy did not do it himself - zero evidence to suggest he did - not even Julie claimed this - no previous incidents of violence - no marks etc on him - bike ride unlikely ...

WPC Jeaves was not mistaken about the rifle in the window - unlikely she was mistaken ...

Therefore most likely a third party was in the property when Jeremy was outside ...

More likely there were 2 shooters than 1 - how was Neville at 6 foot 4 and a physically fit farmer overcome and battered - more likely by 2 than 1 ...

More likely Neville was forced to phone Jeremy - the 3 burn marks - he waited 2 or 3 minutes for Jeremy to answer the phone and then only had time for a very few words ...

More likely that David Boutflour and at least one other set Jeremy up with the silencer - he made a slip of the tongue in a video which tells me this is more likely than not ...

Because of all of the above it is more likely than not the Julies "confession" was false ...

More likely than not that whoever the 2 shooters were they were also conneced with the set up of the silencer and forcing Julie to make her false confession ...

More likely than not that Essex Police were not involved in fitting Jeremy up - based on the statistics of how often they do and do not do this in criminal cases ...

Of course some or all of the above could well be wrong ...

But these are the most likely facts in my opinion after studying this case at length ...

One more thing - it is more likely than not that Adanm is going to dispute this with a very long list - more likely than not that Stephanie is going to attemp to sarcasticly rubbish this post whilst accusing me of being Mike - more likely than not that Caroline is going to back her up albeit in a slightly more intelligent way - and more likely than not that Maggie is going to be kept busy moderating this thread should it develop ...

I hope it is also more likely than not that one or two of you may find it interesting ... 

theres no need for any 3rd party and i doubt there was any 3rd party.why make a weak link by involving another person .i dont think jb was that stupid plus he didnt need  any help .he planned to catch them fast asleep.nb didnt make any calls afer the first shots he took upstairs he would not be able to talk correctly so he could be understood.also no blood is on the phone or that part of the kitchen ,just a couple of smudged prints which they could not identify who they belonged to .i totally agree with caroline that he stayed the night a whf.why make things more complicated and risky by making 2 trips far safer to make 1.and jb is cunning enough to work that out

[sami]

 i also believe there was a violent fight in the kitchen which involved the rifle,thats the only way the lampshade could have been broken.i fully believe if that fight was between nb and  sc than nb would be alive today,even with the shots he took upstairs he could have still contained sc

[Caroline]

Well,in view of the list of undisclosed evidence,etc etc and JB's " behaviour " and general so-called attitude,I'd have said he was innocent of any charges of murder because he simply had no idea what happened that night and made no preparation to defend himself as a criminal would have done.   

His attitude was 'unhelpful' - surely anyone who was a true victim, would want to do all they could to help in the investigation. Jeremy just took the piss.

[sami]

His attitude was 'unhelpful' - surely anyone who was a true victim, would want to do all they could to help in the investigation. Jeremy just took the piss.

i wonder if his cockyness came from the fact he thought police could never convict him of this crime

[Jane]

His attitude was 'unhelpful' - surely anyone who was a true victim, would want to do all they could to help in the investigation. Jeremy just took the piss.

Absolutely, Caroline. Much as I dislike the word "normal", a more appropriate reaction from a victim would have one of total compliancy.

[lookout]

Absolutely, Caroline. Much as I dislike the word "normal", a more appropriate reaction from a victim would have one of total compliancy.

And complacency as you ponder on what you're supposed to have done.

[Jane]

And complacency as you ponder on what you're supposed to have done.

Complacency had no place in that particular scene. We're not talking about an attempted break-in here. It was the slaughter of an entire family-HIS family. I wonder just how "complacent" I'd have been under those circumstances. I would, however, have remained courteous.

[David1819]

Former Essex Police Sergeant Chris Bews explains to interviewer Mark Williams-Thomas how Jeremy Bamber told him as they walked around the perimeter of the farmhouse that he had seen movement at an upstairs window.

Bews stated that he thought it was merely a reflection from a window pane on one of the upper floors.  He was quite satisfied that there was no movement.

 

Clearly Bamber was setting the scene as follow up to his "Sheila had the gun" story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

In this interview he explains it was PC Myall that spotted the movement.

https://youtu.be/ohcCMvLrFm0

Why is Bews in almost every video, documentary and news report?

[lookout]

Complacency had no place in that particular scene. We're not talking about an attempted break-in here. It was the slaughter of an entire family-HIS family. I wonder just how "complacent" I'd have been under those circumstances. I would, however, have remained courteous.

I know 5 family members were murdered.I also know that it wasn't Jeremy, who may have felt/been complacent/self-satisfied in the fact that it WASN'T him,after all it had been alleged that he'd said.

[Jane]

I know 5 family members were murdered.I also know that it wasn't Jeremy, who may have felt/been complacent/self-satisfied in the fact that it WASN'T him,after all it had been alleged that he'd said.

Lookout, what POSSIBLE reason would he have had to to be/feel complacent/self satisfied that it wasn't him??? It wasn't about HIM. It was about his 5 slaughtered family members. I've never suffered such terrible loss, but I can't imagine, had I, that "I" would have been at the forefront. It would all have been about what had happened to them.