Why Rivlin QC rightly told the jury to dismiss Julie Mugfords testimony

[lookout]

It was two women.

You would know that--------how ? Hearsay ?

[Adam]

You would know that--------how ? Hearsay ?

Wilkes's book. Page 279.

[lookout]

Wilkes's book. Page 279.

--------------he said,smugly.

[Jan]

Lol. Yes the 2012 post shows a lot of current guilters used to  argue just as passionately for innocence. Caroline changing stance after Bamber didn't answer her question about the last trailer.

You are the only person I know who has gone from guilty to innocent, which seemed to happen after you made you're forensic evidence breakthrough. Although we have both said Scipio may have changed stance after watching Mike's latest video.

https://youtu.be/mmCART1vcCo

I can never tell if you are joking , was that sarcasm or did skippy change his mind?

[David1819]

I can never tell if you are joking , was that sarcasm or did skippy change his mind?

Did Skippy skip to the other side? Officially No

We had some rather lengthy and drawn out arguments on red about the silencer that he seemed to struggle grappling with the evidence I put forward.

We then exchanged various PMs about the more recent developments. He then suddenly stopped posting on the forum for a few month, I had emailed him to ask him why he was not posting anymore and if he started to change his mind, I got no answer. So I began to assume that could be the case, however he has recently come forward to deny this. No surprise.

However I believe he has become a closet doubter! in my opinion.

[Adam]

I can never tell if you are joking , was that sarcasm or did skippy change his mind?

Do you agree with Mike that the police shot Sheila ?

[Jan]

Did Skippy skip to the other side? Officially No

We had some rather lengthy and drawn out arguments on red about the silencer that he seemed to struggle grappling with the evidence I put forward.

We then exchanged various PMs about the more recent developments. He then suddenly stopped posting on the forum for a few month, I had emailed him to ask him why he was not posting anymore and if he started to change his mind, I got no answer. So I began to assume that could be the case, however he has recently come forward to deny this. No surprise.


Thanks David .

I did not think it would be that easy.

However I believe he has become a closet doubter! in my opinion.

[Jan]

Do you agree with Mike that the police shot Sheila ?

I am not sure I do because I think they would have done everything to keep the conclusion that Sheila was guilty , so to cover their backs I am sure they could have arranged a cover up story with evidence to shut the family and press up.


The only way I think that is true is if they were really cocky , they thought they had it covered but they did not count on the family forcing the issue by going further up the chain , and the new officers that took over the case were not aware what had happened.

[lookout]

Talk about " them and us ",which is in evidence,I've just read about a senior CPS lawyer who'd stabbed his wife in the head with a kitchen knife and beat her with an ornament was given a 6 year sentence for her attempted murder.
He'd pre-written a suicide note pertaining to " the day of death ",26th May.
The excuse for his attempted murder ? Desperation after a bout of work-related depression !
This mad looking individual will probably only serve 3 years if that.

[Caroline]

how did they all know he dident use his car or walk.

They didn't/don't. Personally, I think he did walk.

[lookout]

They didn't/don't. Personally, I think he did walk.

Both ways ?

[Caroline]

Both ways ?

Yep.

[lookout]

Yep.

So what time after the " deed " would he have left WHF ? And in what direction/route ?

[Caroline]

So what time after the " deed " would he have left WHF ? And in what direction/route ?

20 minutes and 32 seconds and he headed towards ... His house! 

[lebaleb]

If he were planning to murder his family why leave at all? He could have easily made an excuse to stay that night. That would have eliminated the risk of being seen on the journey and the possibility of being heard while entering the house. If he thought going home would afford some kind of alibi, he would surely have made sure he had witnesses to that effect.