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« Reply #150 on: December 18, 2016, 03:56:AM »
Yes Stephanie I can see that you are a victim, though I don't really want to comment further except to say you are close to your subject matter as Mike is with his, whilst many of us here are somewhat detached, which may or may not be a good thing. I discern that writing may have a therapeutic value to yourself. I can see some parallels in Colin's book, which has helped me personally with my bereavement. I would only request that you are polite to other members of this site whom I regard as friends, whatever side of the argument they happen to be on. Sometimes we all get het up and need to take a breather.

As the saying goes; you can fool some of the people some of the time.  ;) Night Stevey boy!

Play nicely please, otherwise it appears as though you aren't as detached as you want us to believe.  ;)

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« Reply #151 on: December 18, 2016, 12:29:PM »
Yes Stephanie I can see that you are a victim, though I don't really want to comment further except to say you are close to your subject matter as Mike is with his, whilst many of us here are somewhat detached, which may or may not be a good thing. I discern that writing may have a therapeutic value to yourself. I can see some parallels in Colin's book, which has helped me personally with my bereavement. I would only request that you are polite to other members of this site whom I regard as friends, whatever side of the argument they happen to be on. Sometimes we all get het up and need to take a breather.

Why do you insist on holding a grudge Steve? What's done is done. What do you hope to achieve by continuing in this vein? And what's your motive for doing so?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2944.msg104670.html#msg104670

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2787.msg126991.html#msg126991 Oops

Steve_Uk: When #1468 and #1469 are removed I will reevaluate,otherwise I think Simon Hall is better off in prison without a nagging wife to face. I may remove this if the posts I alluded to disappear;otherwise this post stays and the personage in question is on ignore.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2787.msg126983.html#msg126983

What made you take me off ignore?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4541.msg187165.html#msg187165


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« Reply #152 on: December 21, 2016, 11:18:AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12195159

I wonder if she's ever met Trudi Benjamin..


"Altruistic Narcissists are sometimes difficult to spot. Their display of generosity and charitable behaviors often fool people into thinking that they are genuinely giving or supportive without needing to take credit. Here in lies the difference between individuals who do altruistic acts over Altruistic Narcissists:  Altruistic narcissists do all that they do for others, in order to be able to proclaim it to others or to feel self-important.

From my own experience, observations and indeed evidence, many of the people I came across over the years who refer to themselves as campaigners, appear to present with traits of altruistic narcissism (AN), among other traits.

These people didn't seem bothered by innocence or guilt but appeared more concerned about themselves; their own self-importance. Their proclamations to others were self evident.

There are of course many who do not, and appear to be genuine people who wish to help others, and have simply been taken in with the lie/or what they perceive as an injustice.

But, it is because of factors such as these that we witness so much 'in fighting' imo. It's much more than a clash of personalities and more to do with the need from the individual suffering from AN to feel self- important.

So when there is more than one individual involved (who appears to present with traits of a personality disorder), it is because of examples like this, that the campaigns can become so fierce and indeed personal.
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« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2016, 08:25:PM »
Has anyone read Irene Tanzmans Adventures of an Altruistic Narcissist? Worth checking out imo.

She also has an informative blog.


She writes:

No Goodness in Malignant Narcissists and Psychopaths: Watch Out
Purely Bad People
Some people believe that every person has some good in them. You just have to tap into their goodness. Anne Frank said in her diary, “I still believe that in spite of everything, that people are really good at heart.” But Hitler’s flying monkeys killed her and several million others. Jews. Homosexuals. People with disabilities. Hitler tortured and killed them. If you ask me, Hitler and his SS were purely bad. However, I do believe that Anne was correct about most people being good at heart. She was just wrong about the generalization “people are good at heart.” There are exceptions to the rule.

I recently wrote a novel. The main character in my book is a charlatan without empathy or conscience. He uses people. He destroys lives and careers in order to secure glory and attention for himself. Those in power believe that he is the most wonderful altruistic man who ever walked the earth. My charlatan perplexed some of my writing colleagues. Shouldn’t my protagonist be multi-dimensional? Shouldn’t he have some goodness in him? My answer is a resounding “no.” People like this exist. This is truly how they act. They have no goodness. They are selfish to the core. Other people exist merely for their use. They use others as tools to get what they want. They don’t really know what it is to actually connect with another human being. At certain points in my book, I try to make the reader feel sorry for my protagonist, but he is a purely selfish, deceitful, and evil character. All bad.

Good People
Most people feel good about being good. Some people look to religion, codes of law, or other sources to fully understand the nuances of what it takes to be a good person. Some reflect on how to be better people. Better partners. Better parents. Better children. Better friends. Better employers or employees. Many believe that bringing goodness into our world is their purpose in life. Some struggle against inclinations to be selfish, greedy, or just plain bad. Some of us seem bad or do bad as we lose our way. Most of us would not commit murder or steal even if there were no laws or religions. The fiber of our being tells us that these things are wrong. Many of us would never just use a person for our advantage and throw them aside. We want to be with other people so that we can connect with them as human beings. We have a hard time fathoming that others may have brains that are not set up with a conscience, empathy, or goodness. Surely good people are bad sometimes. Greedy sometimes. Selfish sometimes. Hurt others sometimes. I believe that most of us are good people as Anne Frank described.

The Purely Bad are Dangerous
Malignant narcissists and psychopaths are dangerous. They are predators. They are deceitful. It is to our advantage to know that they exist among us. We need to learn more about narcissists and psychopaths, so that we stop suffering at their hands. We need to be able to identify these individuals so that our workplaces can be happy fulfilling places and vulnerable populations such as those with special needs do not suffer at their hands.

Sometimes a person without empathy is called a psychopath, sociopath, or narcissist. A psychopath and a sociopath are basically the same thing. All psychopaths are narcissists, but not all narcissists are psychopaths.

A sociopath/psychopath is a person who is suffering from antisocial personality disorder. They lack the moral responsibility towards the society. A narcissist is a person who is overly self-involved and usually vain and selfish, as well. Both of these extreme personalities lack empathy.

Psychopaths may be hardened criminals. Con men. Serial killers. Sex offenders. Terrorists. Malignant narcissists may look like normal law abiding citizens. They might be politicians, teachers, social workers, executives, physicians, etc. They are often in leadership positions. They are known to crave attention and admiration, so they will flock to places where they can get these things.

The human brain is very complicated. The more complicated something is, the more likely it is that something may go wrong.https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/goodness-malignant-narcissists-psychopathswatch-out-irene-tanzman


Understanding Covert Narcissists
An overt narcissist can be easy to spot. They are selfish and grandiose. They use people. They have no empathy. They might belittle someone in order to make themselves seem bigger. They will show you that they are narcissists. A covert narcissist may be harder to spot. A covert narcissist has all of the characteristics of an overt narcissist, but the covert type has learned that it is to his/her advantage to create a façade. Below is a video of Ross Rosenberg explaining covert narcissism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vi6GT8TMm8
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« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2016, 12:48:PM »
Understanding Covert Narcissists
An overt narcissist can be easy to spot. They are selfish and grandiose. They use people. They have no empathy. They might belittle someone in order to make themselves seem bigger. They will show you that they are narcissists. A covert narcissist may be harder to spot. A covert narcissist has all of the characteristics of an overt narcissist, but the covert type has learned that it is to his/her advantage to create a façade. Below is a video of Ross Rosenberg explaining covert narcissism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vi6GT8TMm8

Which reminds me of narcissistic injury and rage. Apparently they become enraged because they believe they are perfect and beyond reproach. They cannot accept any sort of disagreement, criticism or accountability for their actions.

And narc injury is any threat (Real or imagined, no matter how slight) to the narcissists grandiose self perception as perfect or omnipotent. They perceive every disagreement as criticism and every critical remark as abject humiliation.

Narcissists desire perfection so even the slightest challenge to that self perception is seen as a threat. Thus, the over reaction. They react defensively and become indignant, aggressive and emotionally detached. They 'devalue' the person who criticized, disagreed or dared to confront them about their behaviour.

By devaluing that person, narcissists minimize the impact of the threat to their self worth. The devalued individual is likely to be subjected to severe and continual emotional harassment, guilt and blame and abuse (emotional and physical).
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« Reply #155 on: January 01, 2017, 12:12:PM »
I don't believe they will ever change stance Adam; privately or otherwise. Nor am I concerned either way. It's up to others what beliefs they wish to hold. All we can do is give people the choice. Bamber isn't going anywhere.

Regarding my stance change in the SH case. SH confessed to the murder. His confession came as a shock but also explained his sudden and drastic change of behaviour following the Zenith burglary omission. Which at the time I mistakenly put down to PTSD having recently learned he was moving to an open prison (He moved less than a month of the omission).

I had a choice when SH confessed. I could deny his confession or admit I had been conned.

Many others chose to publicly deny the confession and in so doing, imo, these people gave an insight into their personas and indeed wisdom/knowledge or lack of.

Steph, I don't think you did anything other that what any ONE of us would do if we were emotionally attached -for whatever reason- to another person. NO ONE wants to believe they've backed the wrong horse but it's a damn sight easier to lose money than to have our naively held beliefs shattered. We invest SO much in them that I believe MOST of us will cling to positive beliefs about those to whom we're emotionally attached, be it friend, lover, parent, spouse, hero, until we're forced to see them for what they really are.

After causing so much pain to the deceased relatives and wrongly accusing innocent people of murder I would disappear very quietly

Again, you and I are very very different people Jackie.

I have chosen to post some details regarding SH in the hope it may help others.

I was not aware of psychopathy and the varying traits of individuals with personality disorders, like I am now.

However if your concerns are genuine and you believe people like me should disappear quietly, why do you choose to single me out and not others? What about, for example all the legal people who once represented SH and who have gone on to represent other clients?

Yesterday you mentioned Sandra Lean. Sandra Leans' book No Smoke featuring the SH case is still for sale. https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Smoke-Sandra-Lean/dp/1906628009. Have you suggested to Ms Lean she revise her book or remove it? Have you reminded her that it's content is wrong and indeed misleading?

You will know the Rough Justice doc was before my time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6527713.stm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Justice_(TV_series)

However I have noticed your feelings towards those mentioned in the articles differ to those you choose to publicly express towards me?

The same applies to the following http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/capel_st_mary_simon_hall_s_mother_s_shock_at_his_murder_confession_1_2323767

It may interest you to know that the names of the alternative suspects were given to me by SH's mother and SH.

I made the mistake of doing SH's bidding for him. I wrongly believed he was innocent, ergo others were responsible.

I am hoping others will learn from my mistakes and not do as I once did.

By blaming Jeremy Bamber's relatives, Sheila, the police etc, you are merely repeating my mistakes. You are doing the bidding for a man who should be doing his own bidding.

If Jeremy Bamber is innocent and indeed a decent guy he would not be putting others in the firing line, as SH once did to me and many others.


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« Reply #156 on: January 02, 2017, 02:09:PM »
JB's hands are tied being in prison. There's very little he can do except rely on the help of others.

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« Reply #157 on: January 02, 2017, 02:12:PM »
JB's hands are tied being in prison. There's very little he can do except rely on the help of others.

I once thought the same of SH but you will be surprised at their resourcefulness.

And let us not forget they are the ultimate puppet master Lookout.. Jeremy Bamber is pulling the strings of many people who may not even realise he is doing it to them.
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« Reply #158 on: January 02, 2017, 03:15:PM »
I once thought the same of SH but you will be surprised at their resourcefulness.

And let us not forget they are the ultimate puppet master Lookout.. Jeremy Bamber is pulling the strings of many people who may not even realise he is doing it to them.




Surely there's not just you and I who think that all people are stupid/gullible.

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« Reply #159 on: January 02, 2017, 03:21:PM »



Surely there's not just you and I who think that all people are stupid/gullible.

I don't think all people are stupid or gullible. I've stated I now recognise disorders in some personalities. And as such have a much different view than before.
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« Reply #160 on: October 14, 2017, 03:48:AM »
so are we going to chance to read simons writtin confessen then steph.

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« Reply #161 on: October 14, 2017, 09:00:AM »
I have removed posts from this thread due to their personal nature. Cheers

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« Reply #162 on: October 14, 2017, 11:44:AM »
You'll have to wait for the book

Or if you can't wait that long, I suggest you make a request to the CCRC, the police, HMPS or alternatively contact Simon Hall's family direct.

Failing that I'm sure NGB or another forum member can answer you

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So important you write your book Steph, doesn’t matter in the slightest if it never gets published, with your first hand knowledge and what you went through with Simon I’m sure it will be of help to others. Seeing it in print will give you, yourself more meaning to what you have been through hopefully

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« Reply #163 on: October 14, 2017, 11:50:AM »
So important you write your book Steph, doesn’t matter in the slightest if it never gets published, with your first hand knowledge and what you went through with Simon I’m sure it will be of help to others. Seeing it in print will give you, yourself more meaning to what you have been through hopefully

The contents of the book is all ready to go Justice, just need a decent publisher to get it out there

Any suggestions
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« Reply #164 on: October 14, 2017, 11:55:AM »
The contents of the book is all ready to go Justice, just need a decent publisher to get it out there

Any suggestions
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