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« Reply #120 on: March 11, 2016, 12:10:AM »
Terry Mullins is peddling nothing more than a gimmick.  The polygraph in its present form cannot detect the difference between lies and the truth. The contraption detects minute psysiological changes in the body as a response to being asked questions and since every single person reacts in different ways no reliable conclusion can ever be reached thus why the device is not admissable in criminal cases.  If the same person were asked the same questions over the course of several days, different responses would result. 

The polygraph has its uses however but not as a lie detector. You could say it is more of a conscience detector.  In the Kate Prout murder case, husband Adrian was the main suspect.  His then girlfriend believed him to be innocent and ran a campaign to have him freed.  She was so sure that he was innocent she persuaded Prout to take the polygraph test which he failed. A short time thereafter he confessed that he had in fact strangled his wife and buried her remains on their farm. The polygraph is used as a scare tactic, nothing more and nothing less.

Jeremy Bamber passing a polygraph test means only one thing and that is that Jeremy Bamber passed a polygraph test.  It has no relevance to guilt or innocence. Terry Mullins will continue to peddle his polygraph at £1000 a go but at the end of the day it is a meaningless exercise.  The polygraph is a fake science, it has no place in a any criminal justice system.
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« Reply #121 on: March 11, 2016, 12:55:AM »
Why? We can all clearly see that blood is not 'free flowing', it is dry and cracked.

I'm happy to step back and bow to expert opinion on certain issues, but this isn't one of them.

In the same way, I don't need an expert to tell me if it is raining, I have the ability and knowledge (expertise perhaps) to look out of the window or stand in the garden and conclude wHether it is actually raining or not.

The description from DS Jones is "blood running"

I cant tell if this blood is wet or not  :-\



The biggest problem for me with the wet blood idea is because its a neck wound the blood coagulation process can be slowed by the submandibular glands and salivary glands in the neck/mouth hence It can make the blood appear more wet than it should be if say it was a wound somewhere else. 

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« Reply #122 on: March 11, 2016, 01:14:AM »
Now try an unenhanced version. She does have blood running from her mouth, but it's dried and therefore old. You're taking it literally as though it were 'flowing'. How would you have described what you saw - without the power of hindsight? I'd have used the same terms.
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« Reply #123 on: March 11, 2016, 01:58:AM »
Now try an unenhanced version. She does have blood running from her mouth, but it's dried and therefore old. You're taking it literally as though it were 'flowing'. How would you have described what you saw - without the power of hindsight? I'd have used the same terms.

This photo you have is not an "unenhanced version" it is a photograph of a photograph that mike has taken at an angle with the flash on thus everything is distorted.

Look here for example the top one is scanned directly from the crime scene photo. while the bottom one is mike taking a photo of that same photo above. The difference is remarkable. The flash on mikes camera has caused major contrast it looks like a photo taken at night almost  :-\


I wish somehow we could get all the actual Essex police photos scanned. That would be a goldmine of information

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« Reply #124 on: March 11, 2016, 02:24:AM »
This photo you have is not an "unenhanced version" it is a photograph of a photograph that mike has taken at an angle with the flash on thus everything is distorted.

Look here for example the top one is scanned directly from the crime scene photo. while the bottom one is mike taking a photo of that same photo above. The difference is remarkable. The flash on mikes camera has caused major contrast it looks like a photo taken at night almost  :-\


I wish somehow we could get all the actual Essex police photos scanned. That would be a goldmine of information

That's not what I meant - you can see that the blood is dry and cracking on both Sheila's face and neck.
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« Reply #125 on: March 11, 2016, 02:49:AM »
That's not what I meant - you can see that the blood is dry and cracking on both Sheila's face and neck.

Like I have already explained that photo is distorted due the way the mike has taken them. The actual crime scene photos are allot brighter and clearer.

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« Reply #126 on: March 11, 2016, 06:49:AM »
Like I have already explained that photo is distorted due the way the mike has taken them. The actual crime scene photos are allot brighter and clearer.


"Blood running from.........", "Blood was running from.........", "Blood had been running from........" All can be used to say -and mean- the same thing. But in reality, they don't. Two statements are present tense. One is past tense. The poor application of English grammar has led to much confusion.

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« Reply #127 on: March 11, 2016, 07:13:AM »

"Blood running from.........", "Blood was running from.........", "Blood had been running from........" All can be used to say -and mean- the same thing. But in reality, they don't. Two statements are present tense. One is past tense. The poor application of English grammar has led to much confusion.

David is just doing his trolling thing again.  ::)

I'm waiting for him to say Sheila was on the bed next, because one officer describes her as being on the far side of the bed.  ::)

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« Reply #128 on: March 11, 2016, 07:14:AM »
The description from DS Jones is "blood running"

I cant tell if this blood is wet or not  :-\



The biggest problem for me with the wet blood idea is because its a neck wound the blood coagulation process can be slowed by the submandibular glands and salivary glands in the neck/mouth hence It can make the blood appear more wet than it should be if say it was a wound somewhere else.
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« Reply #129 on: March 11, 2016, 07:41:AM »
;) ;D


It's AMAZING what the old submandibulars and salivarys can do, isn't it? ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

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« Reply #130 on: March 11, 2016, 08:49:AM »
 Camera light doesn't bounce off dried/matt blood,or any other matt surface. So why is there a sheen coming from areas of so-called cracked blood ?

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« Reply #131 on: March 11, 2016, 11:14:AM »
Like I have already explained that photo is distorted due the way the mike has taken them. The actual crime scene photos are allot brighter and clearer.

So because of the way Mike has taken them, it only LOOKS like the blood is cracking? For gods sake David - give it up! The blood was dried, black and cracking when the pictures were taken, the one you posted was NOT a good representation of the facts and is also a pisture of a picture, which is WHY it has been cut down to ONLY show the bright red ENHANCED blood on Sheila's neck, it has been cut so you can't see the cracked blood around her mouth.  ::)
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« Reply #132 on: March 11, 2016, 11:22:AM »
Camera light doesn't bounce off dried/matt blood,or any other matt surface. So why is there a sheen coming from areas of so-called cracked blood ?

The pictures here, are ALL photographs of photographs so the the sheen is coming from the shinny surface of the original picture. Are you trying to say that the blood isn't dried and cracking?

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« Reply #133 on: March 11, 2016, 11:41:AM »
The biggest problem for me with the wet blood idea is because its a neck wound the blood coagulation process can be slowed by the submandibular glands and salivary glands in the neck/mouth hence It can make the blood appear more wet than it should be if say it was a wound somewhere else.

Just noticed this ..... where are you getting this from?  ::)
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Re: Latest Vlog _ Jeremy's Polygraph Test
« Reply #134 on: March 11, 2016, 11:42:AM »
This photo you have is not an "unenhanced version" it is a photograph of a photograph that mike has taken at an angle with the flash on thus everything is distorted.

Look here for example the top one is scanned directly from the crime scene photo. while the bottom one is mike taking a photo of that same photo above. The difference is remarkable. The flash on mikes camera has caused major contrast it looks like a photo taken at night almost  :-\


I wish somehow we could get all the actual Essex police photos scanned. That would be a goldmine of information

The top picture is an even WORSE example as it has been taken from the TV  ::)
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