strange answers to the psycopath test.

[nugnug]

My concern with tests such as this, Eckman's "micro-expressions," polygraph testing etc is the selective ways they are used and interpreted.

Often, when it suits the authorities, they will trot out these tests as validation for whatever it is they are claiming, and vice versa. For example, here in Scotland, an MP by the name of John Lamont was most vocal about rolling out polygraph testing across the country on sex offenders to "check" if they were safe to be released, or to remain at liberty - fail the polygraph and they either don't get out, or are returned to jail.

When Luke Mitchell and his mother both passed polygraph tests, the same Mr Lamont was equally vocal in insisting that prisoners should not be allowed to take the tests, and publicise the results "in these circumstances." Mr Lamont, and others like him, were happy to accept polygraph results as "proof" of guilt, but not as "proof" of innocence.

so ethere he was advocating a test he doesnt belive works or his rejecting the results of a test he belives does work.

[Caroline]

belive it or not not everything is jeremy bamber related.

i thought the topic i thought the topic was worthy of discussion initself.

This test is - given that supporters and the CT like to mention that he passed it. If you have no faith in the test, then you should have no faith in him passing it?

[sandra L]

so ethere he was advocating a test he doesnt belive works or his rejecting the results of a test he belives does work.

Never did get to the bottom of it, nugnug - he point blank refused to answer all of the questions put to him about his conflicting opinions. As a distraction, a question was raised in the Scottish parliament asking whether or not permission had been given to release the video of Luke passing the test - like I'd have been stupid enough to make it public without such permission!!

[nugnug]

This test is - given that supporters and the CT like to mention that he passed it. If you have no faith in the test, then you should have no faith in him passing it?

i dont ive allways said i dont but then this test isnt the reason i have some doubts about the conviction.

if hed failed it that wouldent be proof he was guilty passing it doesnt prove hes innocent.

[Caroline]

i dont ive allways said i dont but then this test isnt the reason i have some doubts about the conviction.

if hed failed it that wouldent be proof he was guilty passing it doesnt prove hes innocent.

Fair answer! 

[Stephanie]

I wasn't responding to your post

If that is true, Point me to where 'denial' had been introduced on this thread before I posted about it?

[Stephanie]

the same interpretion could be given to somone who was genuinely innocent.

if you are innocent you cant sow remorse for somthing you dident do.

by the same logigic the birmingham 6 and the guilford 4 could o been labeled pyscopaths.

Ridiculous, Michael O'Brien, for example, never presented himself the same way in which Bamber has/does!

[Stephanie]

Yeah right! Nice edit though!

I spotted that too!    lol

[Stephanie]

I agree that the PCL-R test is inadequate - so passing it, is no more valid that failing it.

Agreed!

[Stephanie]

This test is - given that supporters and the CT like to mention that he passed it. If you have no faith in the test, then you should have no faith in him passing it?

Not dissimilar to lie detector tests, as discussed elsewhere. 

[nugnug]

Ridiculous, Michael O'Brien, for example, never presented himself the same way in which Bamber has/does!

he protested his innoncence now that could of been interpreted to mean he was in denial or that some sort of pyscopathic tendency.

but it turned out that he was actully innocent.

[nugnug]

Never did get to the bottom of it, nugnug - he point blank refused to answer all of the questions put to him about his conflicting opinions. As a distraction, a question was raised in the Scottish parliament asking whether or not permission had been given to release the video of Luke passing the test - like I'd have been stupid enough to make it public without such permission!!

 i think i might ask him agian not that im really expecting an answer.

[David1819]

I agree that the PCL-R test is inadequate - so passing it, is no more valid that failing it.

My criticism of PCL-R is that its easy for an amateur or non professional to use it.

If someone with the experience and calibre of Professor Vincent Egan or forensic psychiatrist Michael Stone for example conducted the PCL-R then in that sense its a perfectly valid tool.

But if for example "TV psychologist" like Emma Kenny conducted the PCL-R test then I wont care too much about the result.

[Caroline]

he protested his innoncence now that could of been interpreted to mean he was in denial or that some sort of pyscopathic tendency.

but it turned out that he was actully innocent.

No Nugs, that's NOT what a psychopath is.

[Caroline]

My criticism of PCL-R is that its easy for an amateur or non professional to use it.

If someone with the experience and calibre of Professor Vincent Egan or forensic psychiatrist Michael Stone for example conducted the PCL-R then in that sense its a perfectly valid tool.

But if for example "TV psychologist" like Emma Kenny conducted the PCL-R test then I wont care too much about the result.

Everyone has bias's and this test is open to being influence by them. Someone asked how you would define 'glibness' - which is a valid question and clearly my view of what was/is glib, will be different from someone else's.