View Through Kitchen Window.

[Jane]

How long was Neville's hair ?

Any photos of him with long hair ?

You don't normally see too many male magistrates of his age with long hair ...

His hair wasn't long in the commonly accepted way. The overall shape was no more than nape of neck length but the top layer would have been almost long enough to be nape length -it would have been this long, top layer that would have become disturbed during an altercation and would have fallen forward when his head was in a downward position. This shape was standard for men of his cultural class and age group. It still works well on wavy and unruly hair, which Nevill's was.

[mike tesko]

Personally I have always thought that the police were mistaken into thinking that a female was in the kitchen, because of Nevilles long hair.
I would also love the photo of Sheila on the bed that Mike claims to have seen.

A photograph of her on the bed, which I have seen, not claimed to have seen. Furthermore, new examples that other police officers saw Sheila's body on the bed, are now available to be posted when the time is right, including confirmation from DCI 'Taff' Jones, and PC Wright, that Sheila's body, was on the far side of the bed. These fresh examples, when added to what the police surgeon, Dr Craig, and DS 'Stan' Jones, makes a compelling case for her body being on the bed, before cops moved it to the bedroom floor...

[mike tesko]

I think this conclusively shows that even had RNB been located behind the kitchen door, he would/could still be seen from the window.

Well done, lad...

Just one thing, you appear to have overlooked, and that is that there was another large wooden chair situated directly in front of the body of Ralph Neville Bamber, with his body sat in the first chair, but leaning forward so that the upper part of his body and his head, potentially slumped forward, and supported by the second chair, which may have served to obscure any view that someone like PC Collins may have had from his alleged vantage point at the outside of the kitchen window...

[mike tesko]

On the contrary, with the body of Ralph Neville Bamber seated in the 1st Chair, slumped forward on the second chair, I doubt very much that PC Collins could have seen the body sat there at all, from his vantage point outside the main kitchen window, be it described as a female body, or a male one...

Once entry was gained into the main kitchen, Ralph Neville Bambers body was not in its original position, but had been tumbled forward and with it ending up balanced somewhat precariously over the 2nd wooden chair, in a different part of the kitchen...

[sami]

excellent work ,hartley

[lebaleb]

From the amount of blood on and around the scuttle I would assume Neville was in this position when he died.

[sami]

From the amount of blood on and around the scuttle I would assume Neville was in this position when he died.

there is quite a lot you maybe right

[mike tesko]

I have stood at the kitchen window looking in, nobody would have been able to see Ralph Bambers body sat on the chair in front of the internal door situated in the corner, nor would anybody have been able to see Ralph in the position cops placed his body with his head in the coal bucket. In any event, PC Collins only saw one body from his vantage point outside the kitchen window, which he says he was mistaken about and rectified his mistake upon entering the kitchen at a later time. The body he mistook, and the body he rectified were one and the same body. After cops entered the kitchen, the body that Collins had thought was female turned out to be Ralph, so no mystery there. Sadly, nothing that PC Collins has had to say serves to exclude the presence of a second body in the kitchen, a second body which was reported after the body of Ralph Bamber had been reported. The explanation about misidentifying the body that he said he could see from outside the kitchen window, was sorted out once he entered the kitchen. It has no bearing whatsoever on the discovery of the second body in the kitchen upon entry, because the second body was in addition to Ralphs body being there, and the police message log contents make it absolutely clear, 'AND, the body of one dead female...