Why Bamber would dial 999.

[guest154]

You could always read the statements by DR MYRTO ANGELOGLOU, DR HUGH CAMERON FURGUSEN & DR ANN FIONA ROSEMARY WILKINSON.

Which can be found here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

I think her doctors knew more about her condition and the correct treatment for her condition than Lookout does posting on a forum 30 years later. So I shall trust her doctors. Lookout can't even read an autopsy report without adding things.

[Jane]

I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows

I'd hardly refer to her reaction to some of Colin's "escapades" as "bad temper", more a natural reaction. As it simply isn't possible to see a random specialist on a whim, a doctor's referral is necessary, therefore one must assume that Sheila MAY have had a previous consultation with a psychiatrist to be able to ask Colin to make her an appointment with one. It's therefore ALSO possible that a GP MAY have had her on something for anxiety OR an anti depressant PRIOR to her seeing a specialist.  IMO, this WOULD have been the appropriate time for her to have been referred to a counsellor. You may rest assured that whatever it is you hope to learn from her records, it unlikely to be that she wasn't schizophrenic but they medicated her as such, just in case.

[Jane]

If Sheila had been heavy ( addicted ) on the cocaine,then withdrawal from that wouldn't have been pleasant. Symptoms much the same as her illness itself,angry outbursts,restlessness,hyper,anxiety and paranoia.   Did the drugs cause her paranoia or did she have paranoia before drug-taking ?

I doubt that cocaine would have been available at WHF when she and the boys were there.
Possibly why Neville had been reluctant for Sheila to go to an NHS hospital,as in the 80's,drug taking was frowned upon and such a case could have made headlines.

You really are very determined that she was a heavy drug user. IF she was and IF this was the cause of her illness, it had been going on for long enough for her to have had a SERIOUS addiction in which she'd have needed a fix on a daily basis. Not one person has ever suggested such. You can say she could have hidden it until you're blue in the face, but during the time frame we're speaking of - probably NUMEROUS years- someone would have said/noticed something. You seem to be suggesting that Nevill knew about her drug problem? Are you also suggesting that June, too, had a similar problem and this was the reason he paid for them both to have private treatment!!!!!!!!

[lookout]

You really are very determined that she was a heavy drug user. IF she was and IF this was the cause of her illness, it had been going on for long enough for her to have had a SERIOUS addiction in which she'd have needed a fix on a daily basis. Not one person has ever suggested such. You can say she could have hidden it until you're blue in the face, but during the time frame we're speaking of - probably NUMEROUS years- someone would have said/noticed something. You seem to be suggesting that Nevill knew about her drug problem? Are you also suggesting that June, too, had a similar problem and this was the reason he paid for them both to have private treatment!!!!!!!!

" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.

[Jane]

" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.

I'm sure you would, Lookout, but he DIDN'T use the word "addiction" and like I said, HAD she been addicted all those years, someone would have said something. Dammit, even Jeremy, accusing her of mass murder, didn't call her a drug addict.

[lookout]

I'm sure you would, Lookout, but he DIDN'T use the word "addiction" and like I said, HAD she been addicted all those years, someone would have said something. Dammit, even Jeremy, accusing her of mass murder, didn't call her a drug addict.

So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?

[guest2181]

So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?

Sheila described it as smoking cocaine "in a social context".

Dr Ferguson also tells us that Sheilas psychotic condition was NOT drug induced.

See the bottom of page 3 & top of page 4:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html


With the amount of information contained in the various doctors witness statements (many of which were given when Sheila was thought to be responsible for the murders), I'd be surprised if there was anything of further interest in her medical notes.

[Jane]

So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?

Not the same as you, obviously. I would have said that HAD he wished to imply addiction, IF he'd felt unable to say the words, he'd have spoken of "regular" use. "Fairly frequent" is loose and I'd say there was a question mark over quantities.

[guest154]

" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.

You would though.

"Fairly frequent" not exactly an addiction, if you read the rest of her notes I am sure that Ferguson says he problems are not down to taking recreational drugs or something like that.

Edit, sorry just seen you post the page harters.

[lookout]

 To me it's a pretty vague assumption. Its definition is: often occurring. Happening in close succession.

[guest154]

To me it's a pretty vague assumption. Its definition is: often occurring. Happening in close succession.

Read the rest of the report, Hartley kindly posted for you.

[lookout]

Read the rest of the report, Hartley kindly posted for you.

I've read it. That's where I got the information from that she was a " frequent user " of cocaine.!! NOT my words.

[lookout]

It's on number 337.

[lookout]

It was Sheila herself telling Dr.Ferguson that during that year she had used cocaine frequently.
He was obviously not up to speed ( pun ) with the effects of the stuff,etc etc.

[guest2181]

It was Sheila herself telling Dr.Ferguson that during that year she had used cocaine frequently.
He was obviously not up to speed ( pun ) with the effects of the stuff,etc etc.

Ferguson says that Sheila told her that she used it "fairly frequently" and in a "social context".

Whatever that means.