Why Bamber would dial 999.

[guest154]

Really? But Jerey called his father STRAIGHT back - so that would be JUST AFTER (and before) 03:15. The log that is supposed to have been Nevill's call states a time of 03:26 and it wasn't a 999 call, it was called through on the 'exchange line' from CD 1990 - which is West's call sign. People can pretend that Nevill called the police but the evidence PROVES otherwise and dead men can't use the phone.

Perfect point, Caroline. Lookout claims that when Jeremy phones his Dad back he was unable to get through because of his Dad being on the phone to 999.

Ignoring that the time of the calls don't come close to matching up.


As for why Bamber would have dialled 999 that night, I think so because.

IN BAMBERS WORDS. His Dad sounded terrified and really scared.
IN BAMBERS WORDS. His Dad told him Sheila had a gun.
And lets not forget Bambers words to the police outside later on that night, where he rather unclinically described Sheila's mental health problems.

I personally don't beleive that anything of it is true, if it was true that after getting THATphonecall and knowing what he says he knew about the  mental health of Sheila - he would use a phonebook to call the local station AFTER phoning his GF

[lookout]

At this stage,I'd rather study the dangers of anti-psychotic medications and the urge to kill through the use of them. There are heaps of medications on the market which " treat " depressives,psychotics,bi-polar and post-natal illnesses which have the opposite effect to what they were prescribed for. Multiple shootings and mass murders in America were mostly carried out by those who were taking some form of anti-psychotic or anti-depressive medication.
The guy/pilot who flew his plane into a mountain in the French Alps was taking anti-psychotic medication,making his already depressive condition into a dangerous urge to kill rather than treating his depression. He would have been in denial of his condition before murdering all those innocent people.

Those who withdraw from such medications should be monitored and supported for at least 12 months  because their illness can return far worse than before they were prescribed their medication.

Have any of you bothered to find out why Sheila was having such a HIGH dose of intra-Haldol ?

 

[Jane]

Have any of you bothered to find out why Sheila was having such a HIGH dose of intra-Haldol ?

Pre or post reduction?

[lookout]

Pre or post reduction?

Pre,because post was at Sheila's request which the doctor foolishly followed.

[Jane]

Pre,because post was at Sheila's request which the doctor foolishly followed.

Having searched various sites about what is considered to be a safe dose of haloperidol, not one recommends exceeding 100 mg. This suggests that 200 mg was way too high. Sheila wasn't under section. Possibly 200 mg was the old way of thinking?

[lookout]

Having searched various sites about what is considered to be a safe dose of haloperidol, not one recommends exceeding 100 mg. This suggests that 200 mg was way too high. Sheila wasn't under section. Possibly 200 mg was the old way of thinking?

Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed. 

[Caroline]

Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed.

Honestly! 

[Jane]

Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed.

We don't know when she received her last injection prior to leaving hospital, and I note that nothing was said about her being poorly during the time Christine was with her. They appeared to have spent quite a lot of time with Colin. Was anything said about her condition during this time? However, from the information we have, it appears as if she either A) never had another high dose injection or B) only had one more high dose before the reduction. It's considered that the lower dose is no less efficacious that the higher dose.

[lookout]

We don't know when she received her last injection prior to leaving hospital, and I note that nothing was said about her being poorly during the time Christine was with her. They appeared to have spent quite a lot of time with Colin. Was anything said about her condition during this time? However, from the information we have, it appears as if she either A) never had another high dose injection or B) only had one more high dose before the reduction. It's considered that the lower dose is no less efficacious that the higher dose.

I'd like to know what gave rise to the reason why a high dose was necessary and also whether Sheila had been a "severely resistant psychiatric patient ". Both would then give everyone a better understanding of how ill or out of control she was. It's these factors which will be hidden within the medical notes.
Whether medics at the time ever thought of switching her medication,nobody knows,as the differing variants of psychosis are very hit and miss to treat.

[Jane]

I'd like to know what gave rise to the reason why a high dose was necessary and also whether Sheila had been a "severely resistant psychiatric patient ". Both would then give everyone a better understanding of how ill or out of control she was. It's these factors which will be hidden within the medical notes.
Whether medics at the time ever thought of switching her medication,nobody knows,as the differing variants of psychosis are very hit and miss to treat.

The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.

[Caroline]

The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.

That's 100% right, nail on the head - it's ALL about fit, if it doesn't quite fit, Lookout will try and SQUEEZE it in. Luckily, there are people here who don't just want Bamber to be innocent, they want the truth!

[Jane]

That's 100% right, nail on the head - it's ALL about fit, if it doesn't quite fit, Lookout will try and SQUEEZE it in. Luckily, there are people here who don't just want Bamber to be innocent, they want the truth!

Aww TA Caroline. There's an occasional flash of brilliant insightfulness

[lookout]

The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.

I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows

[guest2181]

I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows

You could always read the statements by DR MYRTO ANGELOGLOU, DR HUGH CAMERON FURGUSEN & DR ANN FIONA ROSEMARY WILKINSON.

Which can be found here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

[lookout]

If Sheila had been heavy ( addicted ) on the cocaine,then withdrawal from that wouldn't have been pleasant. Symptoms much the same as her illness itself,angry outbursts,restlessness,hyper,anxiety and paranoia.   Did the drugs cause her paranoia or did she have paranoia before drug-taking ?

I doubt that cocaine would have been available at WHF when she and the boys were there.
Possibly why Neville had been reluctant for Sheila to go to an NHS hospital,as in the 80's,drug taking was frowned upon and such a case could have made headlines.