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[lookout]

They weren't identical twins.

[Caroline]

They weren't identical twins.

They were INDEED identical twins!!  This is basic stuff about the case!!

[lookout]

You would have still told them apart though. If you'd seen them often enough,that is.

[Jane]

You would have still told them apart though. If you'd seen them often enough,that is.

Well, of COURSE you would. You insist you're NEVER wrong.

[Caroline]

You would have still told them apart though. If you'd seen them often enough,that is.

You just claimed they weren't identical now you've changed that to 'you would be able to tell them apart!' You pull this stuff out of thin ait! AE probably didn't see much of Sheila or the twins as they lived in different areas. However, just because Julie agreed to identify them, you and certain others make her sound like a ghoul. If AE had agreed to identify them, she would be called the same. If Jeremy hadn't killed them, they wouldn't have needed identifying and they would be living their own lives with their own kids!

[lebaleb]

You just claimed they weren't identical now you've changed that to 'you would be able to tell them apart!' You pull this stuff out of thin ait! AE probably didn't see much of Sheila or the twins as they lived in different areas. However, just because Julie agreed to identify them, you and certain others make her sound like a ghoul. If AE had agreed to identify them, she would be called the same. If Jeremy hadn't killed them, they wouldn't have needed identifying and they would be living their own lives with their own kids!

So that puts doubt on the veracity about AE's claims that 'Sheila didn't know one end of a gun from the other' and all that about 'missing the toast with the beans because she had such bad hand to eye co-ordination'. She didn't know Sheila that well and had probably never seen her in a psychotic state.

[Caroline]

So that puts doubt on the veracity about AE's claims that 'Sheila didn't know one end of a gun from the other' and all that about 'missing the toast with the beans because she had such bad hand to eye co-ordination'. She didn't know Sheila that well and had probably never seen her in a psychotic state.

No it doesn't, she knew Sheila didn't use guns when she lived and WHF and she certaily wouldn't using them in the middle of London! Other people have mentioned Sheila's coordination problems so she hadn't made that up and so what if she hadn't seen her in a psychotic state?

[Jane]

So that puts doubt on the veracity about AE's claims that 'Sheila didn't know one end of a gun from the other' and all that about 'missing the toast with the beans because she had such bad hand to eye co-ordination'. She didn't know Sheila that well and had probably never seen her in a psychotic state.

It's really easy to pull snippets out of the hat without looking at their background. NOT very insightful, however. The bottom line was that Ann didn't like Sheila and took every opportunity to discredit her. Read those parts of her statement where she complains bitterly about the money the Bambers spent on THEIR DAUGHTER!!!!! Educating her, paying for courses that might have lead to employment, her wedding!!!!!!!!!  Read about the times when Ann admits to snubbing Sheila . Ignoring her compliments. Saying she didn't have time to talk. Of course she didn't know Sheila well. There was a 9 year age gap for starters. Ann was an adult, probably married with children -and a VERY different outlook on life- whilst Sheila was still a child. By the time Sheila was a giddy, frivolous teenager, Ann was a serious minded "young matron."  Sheila went off to the Bright lights of London. Ann was working hard at the family business. There was, I believe, never any point of mutual understanding between them.

[JackiePreece]

Have you got a source that Julie 'jumped at the chance to identify the bodies'.

There is a recent thread on why she identified the bodies. But nothing stating she 'jumped at the chance'.

I came to that conclusion all by myself

She knew her boyfriend had murdered the twins or paid someone (the laughable hit man theory) to murder the twins yet while protecting her boyfriend from being caught she offered to view the bodies

My opinion

[Jane]

I came to that conclusion all by myself

She knew her boyfriend had murdered the twins or paid someone (the laughable hit man theory) to murder the twins yet while protecting her boyfriend from being caught she offered to view the bodies

My opinion

I don't recall it being said that there was a family scrum to do the job.

[nugnug]

I came to that conclusion all by myself

She knew her boyfriend had murdered the twins or paid someone (the laughable hit man theory) to murder the twins yet while protecting her boyfriend from being caught she offered to view the bodies

My opinion

your right about it being a bit sick i mean how can anyone look at the bodys of to dead childrn knowing that there boyfriend killed them and then going on to cuddel him at a funreul when they know his only prtending to cry about it.

[maggie]

your it being a bit sick i mean how can anyone look at the bodys of to dead childrn knowing that there boyfriend killed them and then going on to cuddel him at a funreul when they know his only prtending to cry about it.

I agree nugs and also how could that same person go and stay with Colin for a weekend with her boyfriend JB and sleep with him there, show sympathy and support for the loss of his beloved sons knowing that her boyfriend was the murderer.

[Jane]

I agree nugs and also how could that same person go and stay with Colin for a weekend with her boyfriend JB and sleep with him there, show sympathy and support for the loss of his beloved sons knowing that her boyfriend was the murderer.

There's nothing to have prevented her from supporting Colin out of guilt for what Jeremy had done. Don't forget she was "very much in love with him and had hoped to marry him."

[lookout]

 Guilt my eye.If JM had been as truthful and honest as she'd professed to have been,and knowing JB as she did,she'd have spoken her thoughts at trial by saying that he hadn't murdered anyone. JM knew in her heart that it wasn't Jeremy and was dragged along by others who'd had a vested interest.

Nobody can tell me that JM was the type to continue her relationship with a" murderer" of a whole family,including two little boys,whose bodies she'd viewed at the mortuary. No way !! Nobody is THAT much in love knowing that. Also to accept money for holidays after the event and help with moving doesn't gel with the fact that she " knew him as a murderer ".

[Jane]

Guilt my eye.If JM had been as truthful and honest as she'd professed to have been,and knowing JB as she did,she'd have spoken her thoughts at trial by saying that he hadn't murdered anyone. JM knew in her heart that it wasn't Jeremy and was dragged along by others who'd had a vested interest.

Nobody can tell me that JM was the type to continue her relationship with a" murderer" of a whole family,including two little boys,whose bodies she'd viewed at the mortuary. No way !! Nobody is THAT much in love knowing that. Also to accept money for holidays after the event and help with moving doesn't gel with the fact that she " knew him as a murderer ".

Perhaps if you were as truthful and honest as you profess to be you wouldn't keep sullying Sheila's memory with salacious bits of information just to blacken her character, and making up things about Jeremy's character which -save insisting that you're NEVER wrong- you know sod all squared, just to may him appear whiter than driven snow.