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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2016, 07:07:PM »
Battersby and Mugford formed a close bond to carry out the cheque frauds

They were just friends - not Thelma and Louise!!  ::)
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2016, 07:13:PM »
Obtaining property by deception - cheques

Date Updated: January 2012

Title: Theft

Offence: Obtaining property by deception - Cheques

Legislation: S15 Theft Act 1968

Commencement Date: Repealed as from 15.1.2007  by the FRAUD ACT 2006 , however under transitional provisions this section  is still applicable to  offences where the offence was partly committed before 15th January 2007- see section14(2) and schedule 2 of  the Fraud  Act for detailed provisions.     

Mode of Trial: Either Way

Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 10 years

Culpability & Harm
Substantial amounts involved.
Substantial loss sustained.
Planning.
Professionalism.
Offending carried out over a long period
Offender acting with others.
Offender recruited others.
Offender prime mover
Motivated by greed or desire to live beyond his or her means.
Aggravating & Mitigating Factors
None   

Relevant Sentencing Guidelines (If Any)
R v CLARK [1998] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.)142 B6-12003  which updated the guidance issued in R v BARRICK [1985] 7 Cr.App.R.(S.)142 B6 - immediate imprisonment is inevitable in breach of trust cases unless there are exceptional circumstances or the amount of money involved is very small.

Less than £17,500        up to 21 months
£17,500 to £100,000     2-3 years
£100,000 to £250,000   3-4 years
£250,000 to £1 million  5-9 years
£1 million or more         10 years +
R. V KEFFORD (MARK JAMES) [2002] 2 CR. APP. R. (S.) 106
For economic crimes, alternative sentences to imprisonment could be appropriate punishment.
K was employed by a building society and opened false accounts into which he made windfall payments and then withdrew money as needed. The amount of £11,120 was taken. When interviewed the appellant immediately made full and frank confessions. He had no previous convictions. After the discovery of the offences the appellant sold his home so as to be able to repay the sums he had taken. On appeal his sentence was reduced from 12 months imprisonment to 4 months. The court commented that even in the present circumstances, in cases involving breach of trust where the sum involved was not small, the guidance in Clarke was still applicable even where it was a first offence, however, a sentence of imprisonment should only be imposed when necessary and only for as long as was necessary in view of the overcrowded prison system. For economic crimes, especially where the offender was of previous good character, alternative sentences to imprisonment could be appropriate punishment.

R v ROACH [2002] 1 CR.AP.R(S) 259
The defendant pleaded guilty to three counts of obtaining a money transfer by deception. The defendant worked for a firm supplying carers to elderly and infirm people. Over a period of about two years cashed cheques to the value of £2,875 from a 80 year old client. 18m. Clark [1998] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.) 95 and Barrick (1985) 7 Cr.App.R.(S.) 142, guidelines were not relevant to offending of the kind under consideration. They related to theft in breach of trust from employers, charitable bodies or similar organisations. The distinctive feature of this case was that it involved the exploitation of pitifully vulnerable people, whether due to age or infirmity or a combination of both. The sentence passed could not be said to be manifestly excessive; in the Court's view it was an entirely correct and appropriate sentence.
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2016, 07:16:PM »
Obtaining property by deception - cheques

Date Updated: January 2012

Title: Theft

Offence: Obtaining property by deception - Cheques

Legislation: S15 Theft Act 1968

Commencement Date: Repealed as from 15.1.2007  by the FRAUD ACT 2006 , however under transitional provisions this section  is still applicable to  offences where the offence was partly committed before 15th January 2007- see section14(2) and schedule 2 of  the Fraud  Act for detailed provisions.     

Mode of Trial: Either Way

Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 10 years

Culpability & Harm
Substantial amounts involved.
Substantial loss sustained.
Planning.
Professionalism.
Offending carried out over a long period
Offender acting with others.
Offender recruited others.
Offender prime mover
Motivated by greed or desire to live beyond his or her means.
Aggravating & Mitigating Factors
None   

Relevant Sentencing Guidelines (If Any)
R v CLARK [1998] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.)142 B6-12003  which updated the guidance issued in R v BARRICK [1985] 7 Cr.App.R.(S.)142 B6 - immediate imprisonment is inevitable in breach of trust cases unless there are exceptional circumstances or the amount of money involved is very small.

Less than £17,500        up to 21 months
£17,500 to £100,000     2-3 years
£100,000 to £250,000   3-4 years
£250,000 to £1 million  5-9 years
£1 million or more         10 years +
R. V KEFFORD (MARK JAMES) [2002] 2 CR. APP. R. (S.) 106
For economic crimes, alternative sentences to imprisonment could be appropriate punishment.
K was employed by a building society and opened false accounts into which he made windfall payments and then withdrew money as needed. The amount of £11,120 was taken. When interviewed the appellant immediately made full and frank confessions. He had no previous convictions. After the discovery of the offences the appellant sold his home so as to be able to repay the sums he had taken. On appeal his sentence was reduced from 12 months imprisonment to 4 months. The court commented that even in the present circumstances, in cases involving breach of trust where the sum involved was not small, the guidance in Clarke was still applicable even where it was a first offence, however, a sentence of imprisonment should only be imposed when necessary and only for as long as was necessary in view of the overcrowded prison system. For economic crimes, especially where the offender was of previous good character, alternative sentences to imprisonment could be appropriate punishment.

R v ROACH [2002] 1 CR.AP.R(S) 259
The defendant pleaded guilty to three counts of obtaining a money transfer by deception. The defendant worked for a firm supplying carers to elderly and infirm people. Over a period of about two years cashed cheques to the value of £2,875 from a 80 year old client. 18m. Clark [1998] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.) 95 and Barrick (1985) 7 Cr.App.R.(S.) 142, guidelines were not relevant to offending of the kind under consideration. They related to theft in breach of trust from employers, charitable bodies or similar organisations. The distinctive feature of this case was that it involved the exploitation of pitifully vulnerable people, whether due to age or infirmity or a combination of both. The sentence passed could not be said to be manifestly excessive; in the Court's view it was an entirely correct and appropriate sentence.

Nice cut and paste job! Thought you didn't like cut and pastes?

Are you trying to suggest that fraud is worse than murdering 5 people? Although come to think of it, Jeremy murdered 5 people, stole and sold drugs. Almost a full house!
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 07:18:PM »
Nice cut and paste job! Thought you didn't like cut and pastes?

Are you trying to suggest that fraud is worse than murdering 5 people? Although come to think of it, Jeremy murdered 5 people, stole and sold drugs. Almost a full house!

He's been violent since - I'd call that BINGO!
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2016, 07:19:PM »
But I'm quite certain in my mind that Jeremy didn't commit the murders and Daisy definitely does NOT exist
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2016, 07:20:PM »
But I'm quite certain in my mind that Jeremy didn't commit the murders and Daisy definitely does NOT exist

You are off topic on your own thread and are merely goading. Either join in the debate and discuss the case or go away!

And for the record - no one has any faith in what's in your mind and the Daisy business has been discussed before. In fact - Daisy if you are reading this - please remind us of what JB did to you.
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2016, 07:27:PM »
Unfortunately Daisy does not exist
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2016, 07:39:PM »
Unfortunately Daisy does not exist

If she doesn't exist why do you keep referring to her? The only member who mentions her is you!
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2016, 07:41:PM »
Unfortunately Daisy does not exist

Yes she does!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2016, 03:11:AM »
Unfortunately Daisy does not exist

Pretty sure NGB said she does.

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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2016, 08:57:AM »
Pretty sure NGB said she does.

I suggest you check that out
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2016, 09:42:AM »
I suggest you check that out

It HAS been verified. Why don't you check it out?

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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2016, 09:48:AM »
No it has not been I asked NGB myself
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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2016, 09:58:AM »
No it has not been I asked NGB myself


And you've been found out telling porkies, haven't you?

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Re: Susan Battersby
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2016, 09:59:AM »
The last couple of pages of this thread seems to provide some answers?  :-\

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5639.195.html