Has the Jeremy Bamber case come to the end of the road?

[Adam]

I can't imagine why you need Sheila to have "worked in super fast time." She was in an isolated farmhouse where presumably, no one was anticipating what would happen. She could have done the whole thing at her leisure. We know she wasn't always on the best of terms with June. She "could" bearing in mind that this is only a made up story- have shot June whilst Nevill was using the downstairs shower, THEN realized she'd have to shoot him, too. You can't cause Jeremy's guilt by unknown time scales.

Second time today, read the posts.

I said supporters have to say Sheila worked quickly and very efficiently. My post 175 also says Sheila would not be in a hurry.

[maggie]

'Could someone as un cordinated as Sheila have done all this in 22 minutes ?' It's in the thread post.

If you and Maggie want to believe I am referring to Bamber. Whose name I did not mention, feel free.

I agree whoever murdered the family I would guess it all  happened very  quickly with respect you don't hang around in such circumstances but your wording in that post is ambiguous, you were by default suggesting JB murdered them, so I was simply pointing out that on your 100% certainty of the time of death makes no sense unless Sheila carried out the shootings.

[guest2181]

I can't imagine why you need Sheila to have "worked in super fast time." She was in an isolated farmhouse where presumably, no one was anticipating what would happen. She could have done the whole thing at her leisure. We know she wasn't always on the best of terms with June. She "could" bearing in mind that this is only a made up story- have shot June whilst Nevill was using the downstairs shower, THEN realized she'd have to shoot him, too. You can't cause Jeremy's guilt by unknown time scales.

Yes that's a good point, the children and June could have already been murdered by the time Neville got off the phone.

Plus what time did the police and Jeremy actually get to the house, they parked at the end of the lane which quite a distance away, did they have a chat for a while? They also returned to the car later to call backup.

Sheila, having been seen by Bews and Jeremy through the bedroom window, could have killed herself when they returned to the police car.

So I'm going to add another 20 minutes to my time frame. I've now got actions taking a minimum of 15-22 minutes carried out in a 58minute window.

[Adam]

Of course we can use common sense to say how long it would take Sheila to do everything she either certainly did, or allegedly, according to supporters did.

My time scale which included everything, took her 75 minutes. Supporters making 11 retractions knocks 40 minutes off. On the assumption that the shooting started a minute after Neville called Bamber, and Sheila worked very quickly.

Obviously 11 retractions would be a huge blow for Bamber. Just to fit a time scale. So they will keep to the 11 allegations.

[Jane]

Of course we can use common sense to say how long it would take Sheila to do everything she either certainly did, or allegedly, according to supporters did.

My time scale which included everything, took her 75 minutes. Supporters making 11 retractions knocks 40 minutes off. On the assumption that the shooting started a minute after Neville called Bamber, and Sheila worked very quickly.

Second time today, read the posts.

I said supporters have to say Sheila worked quickly and very efficiently. My post 175 also says Sheila would not be in a hurry.

I was working under the umbrella of your made up story which make everything possible. That's the joy of "made up".

[Adam]

By default supporters are highlighting Bamber's guilt.

So many allegations have been made about what Sheila did after the massacre, adding them all up means it would take her 75 minutes. They then alleged Neville called the police at 3.26, which reduced Sheila's window to 22 minutes.

[guest2181]

Yes that's a good point, the children and June could have already been murdered by the time Neville got off the phone.

Plus what time did the police and Jeremy actually get to the house, they parked at the end of the lane which quite a distance away, did they have a chat for a while? They also returned to the car later to call backup.

Sheila, having been seen by Bews and Jeremy through the bedroom window, could have killed herself when they returned to the police car.

So I'm going to add another 20 minutes to my time frame. I've now got actions taking a minimum of 15-22 minutes carried out in a 58minute window.

In fact, after Bews gets back to the car at 4:09 nobody approached the house again until 4:52am.

So that's another 43 minutes that I've just gained. 

[guest2181]

In fact, after Bews gets back to the car at 4:09 nobody approached the house again until 4:52am.

So that's another 43 minutes that I've just gained. 

I've now got actions taking 15-22 minutes carried out in a 1h 24m window.

[Jane]

By default supporters are highlighting Bamber's guilt.

So many allegations have been made about what Sheila did after the massacre, adding them all up means it would take her 75 minutes. They then alleged Neville called the police at 3.26, which reduced Sheila's window to 22 minutes.

Can you name those supporters who have stipulated a 75 minute time frame or is it something you've pulled out of thin air?

[guest2181]

Can you name those supporters who have stipulated a 75 minute time frame or is it something you've pulled out of thin air?

Unfortunately Adam has proven beyond doubt that Sheila had enough time to carry out the murders, even taking the far fetched 75m time, she has another 9 minutes to go.

[Jane]

Unfortunately Adam has proved beyond doubt that Sheila had enough time to carry out the murders, even taking the far fetched 75m time, she has another 9 minutes to go.

Hartley, I have always said that Adam is supporters' greatest asset

[guest2181]

Hartley, I have always said that Adam is supporters' greatest asset

 

[Adam]

Hartley, I have always said that Adam is supporters' greatest asset

You were my greatest asset when you supported Bamber.

You didn't create any threads to counter my threads. Just argued against my posts and threads. Weakly, until giving up and changing stance.

Now you are a guilter you still don't create any threads. Or say anything worthwhile. Despite officially being online more than anyone else.

[Adam]

Unfortunately Adam has proven beyond doubt that Sheila had enough time to carry out the murders, even taking the far fetched 75m time, she has another 9 minutes to go.

I appreciate you are not as much as a guilter as me. And have discreetly tried to stick up for supporters on this issue. To provide the glimmer of light they have, that Bamber may be innocent.

However, for Sheila to do all of the certain things, and the supporters alleged things would take 75 minutes. Not 22 or 38 minutes.

All in post 152.

But supporters can make 6 retractions and take huge leaps of faith. I don't mind if they say the bible just fell next to Sheila, page open etc.

[guest2181]

I appreciate you are not as much as a guilter as me. And have discreetly tried to stick up for supporters on this issue. To provide the glimmer of light they have, that Bamber may be innocent.

However, for Sheila to do all of the certain things, and the supporters alleged things would take 75 minutes. Not 22 or 38 minutes.

All in post 152.

But supporters can make 11 retractions. I don't mind if they say the bible just fell next to Sheila, page open etc.

We'll as per our earlier discussion, I'm not in agreement with your estimates, but even if we did stick to them Sheila had 1 hour and 24 minutes (starting at 3:26).

The police left the grounds of the house at 4:09 and didn't return until 4:52, so your arguments about time are flawed from the outset.

Yes Jeremy is guilty, but your arguments in this thread do not show that, however much you want them to.