Has the Jeremy Bamber case come to the end of the road?

[Jane]

trouble i have with this jane is that i dont really know what is the truth. I rely on statements and the police records we have on here and i was conviced i had read somewhere that it was the police that had instigated the disposal of carpets etc from the house but of course i could be wrong.

I am beginning to feel jb did do some very unusual things though. The argument about him driving really slowly keeps going through my mind. He didnt know for sure anyone had actually been shot so why didnt he just drive right on up to the house and let himself in or knock the door.

I appreciate that it's probably more difficult when you're not sure, Notsure! However, it's not rocket  science when every day logic is applied. Jeremy certainly DID do some questionable things.

[Jane]

Trouble is,Notsure,how would it have looked if Jeremy had got there before the police and started knocking like Hell on the front door ? Those who say he's guilty would have said it was a way of covering up knowing they were all dead. Even as things stood,he still got the blame.

Anyone who thinks along those lines when their family is allegedly in danger of their lives must have a very distorted and suspicious mind set.

[lookout]

Anyone who thinks along those lines when their family is allegedly in danger of their lives must have a very distorted and suspicious mind set.

No,I just know how peoples minds work.

[guest154]

Thank you for admitting it.

Quite a brave and honest thing to do really.

[Caroline]

Trouble is,Notsure,how would it have looked if Jeremy had got there before the police and started knocking like Hell on the front door ? Those who say he's guilty would have said it was a way of covering up knowing they were all dead. Even as things stood,he still got the blame.

He shouldn't have been thinking what others would say IF he received a genuine call!

[Steve_uk]

And Jeremy, hanging on the the more valuable items - not for sentimental value, but to SELL. His mother and fathers clothes were ceremoniously chucked in a trailer in a heap. Nice!

There's always a dilemma when a loved one dies as to what to do with their possessions. One hears of parents keeping their child's room exactly as it was before he or she died years after the event and if that's what they want who can gainsay? For my part I compromised with a neighbour who rallied round to help and he took stuff to the Charity Shop in aid of cancer research. Some things I couldn't bear to part with and still have with me to this day: a fur coat, a blue jacket and jumpers, the kind of things you see on Marks and Spencers mannequins, which every time I walk round that store evokes memories of my late mother.

As for the Jeremy Bamber case moving on, well here are two (no doubt) well-meaning individuals, and I was quite sure they would get round eventually to something over a cup of coffee, even if it's only the lie detector test. https://youtu.be/lqMEfS8nb1s

[Caroline]

There's always a dilemma when a loved one dies as to what to do with their possessions. One hears of parents keeping their child's room exactly as it was before he or she died years after the event and if that's what they want who can gainsay? For my part I compromised with a neighbour who rallied round to help and he took stuff to the Charity Shop in aid of cancer research. Some things I couldn't bear to part with and still have with me to this day: a fur coat, a blue jacket and jumpers, the kind of things you see on Marks and Spencers mannequins, which every time I walk round that store evokes memories of my late mother.

As for the Jeremy Bamber case moving on, well here are two (no doubt) well-meaning individuals, and I was quite sure they would get round eventually to something over a cup of coffee, even if it's only the lie detector test. https://youtu.be/lqMEfS8nb1s

You kept things that remind you of your mum, I understand that perfectly. When my dad died in 2009, I kept his favourite suit and it still hangs in my wardrobe. I kept his watch and the pipe that he never put down. I gave his clothes to the epilepsy society - dealing with his things is one of the hardest things I have ever done but my mum couldn't face it.

I would never have heaped his things into a trailer or sold anything he loved.

As for the polygraph - Jeremy had no stress when he took it. He'd already been convicted, it's not like he was waiting to go to court. He had nothing to lose. The guy who took the test is hardly going to say that 'yes' Jeremy could fake it, he's going to tell them what they want to hear. We also don't know that he's not a psychopath but I guess you can convince yourself of anything if you really try.

[Jane]

There's always a dilemma when a loved one dies as to what to do with their possessions. One hears of parents keeping their child's room exactly as it was before he or she died years after the event and if that's what they want who can gainsay? For my part I compromised with a neighbour who rallied round to help and he took stuff to the Charity Shop in aid of cancer research. Some things I couldn't bear to part with and still have with me to this day: a fur coat, a blue jacket and jumpers, the kind of things you see on Marks and Spencers mannequins, which every time I walk round that store evokes memories of my late mother.

As for the Jeremy Bamber case moving on, well here are two (no doubt) well-meaning individuals, and I was quite sure they would get round eventually to something over a cup of coffee, even if it's only the lie detector test. https://youtu.be/lqMEfS8nb1s

I have a complete set of Malcolm's clothes, down to socks and shoes. They're probably the first things I'd reach for if the house caught fire.

Forgive me for not being able to cope with the "two (no doubt) well meaning individuals". Wherever it was they were heading, they were prevented by so many "ums" it made concentrating impossible. Stimulating conversation, it wasn't.

[notsure]

As for the polygraph - Jeremy had no stress when he took it. He'd already been convicted, it's not like he was waiting to go to court. He had nothing to lose. The guy who took the test is hardly going to say that 'yes' Jeremy could fake it, he's going to tell them what they want to hear. We also don't know that he's not a psychopath but I guess you can convince yourself of anything if you really try.

Trouble I have with this though Caroline is he did have a lot to lose didn't he. Ok so suppose he was guilty, how is taking a polygraph not going to be stressful after saying for 25 years that you are innocent . He was asking to take the polygraph since the late 80's so I dont buy that one at all.

As far as the psychopathy is concerned I think it is a bit of an insult to all the professionals that have actually seen him to say that he is. Ok I know we can go over the bit where some people are saying he didnt have this test or that test but he was tested and properly and they found nothing wrong. If Jeremy is guilty and did it for the money he wouldn't need to be a phyco would he.

[Jane]

As for the polygraph - Jeremy had no stress when he took it. He'd already been convicted, it's not like he was waiting to go to court. He had nothing to lose. The guy who took the test is hardly going to say that 'yes' Jeremy could fake it, he's going to tell them what they want to hear. We also don't know that he's not a psychopath but I guess you can convince yourself of anything if you really try.

Trouble I have with this though Caroline is he did have a lot to lose didn't he. Ok so suppose he was guilty, how is taking a polygraph not going to be stressful after saying for 25 years that you are innocent . He was asking to take the polygraph since the late 80's so I dont buy that one at all.

As far as the psychopathy is concerned I think it is a bit of an insult to all the professionals that have actually seen him to say that he is. Ok I know we can go over the bit where some people are saying he didnt have this test or that test but he was tested and properly and they found nothing wrong. If Jeremy is guilty and did it for the money he wouldn't need to be a phyco would he.

It might also be considered an insult to the intelligence of those professionals who have deemed him to be such. We know how hard it is to diagnose psychopathy. It isn't conveniently written across foreheads and is just as likely to be a charming, good looking, urbane and cultured individual who can pull wool  over the most knowledgeable eyes, as a slobbish, uneducated one.

 I don't understand the reasoning behind your belief that a crime committed for money means the perpetrator has no need to be psychopathic. Perhaps you're forgetting that in order to get his hands on THIS money, five people, including two infants, were required to die.

[notsure]

It might also be considered an insult to the intelligence of those professionals who have deemed him to be such. We know how hard it is to diagnose psychopathy. It isn't conveniently written across foreheads and is just as likely to be a charming, good looking, urbane and cultured individual who can pull wool  over the most knowledgeable eyes, as a slobbish, uneducated one.

 I don't understand the reasoning behind your belief that a crime committed for money means the perpetrator has no need to be psychopathic. Perhaps you're forgetting that in order to get his hands on THIS money, five people, including two infants, were required to die.

Well none of those professionals that say he is have seen him have they? come on Jane, we are all adults here, we have to believe that those professionals that have tested him know best. We cant just allow our feelings for the man to distort the truth.

No I dont believe every murderer has to be a Physcopath, I am sure they cant all be. People murder because they are bloody monsters who dont give a damm about another persons life. there are many reasons why someone kills, they dont all have to be physcopaths do they. On here its like we have to agree hes one because if he did kill them what else could he be.?

[Jane]

Well none of those professionals that say he is have seen him have they? come on Jane, we are all adults here, we have to believe that those professionals that have tested him know best. We cant just allow our feelings for the man to distort the truth.

No I dont believe every murderer has to be a Physcopath, I am sure they cant all be. People murder because they are bloody monsters who dont give a damm about another persons life. there are many reasons why someone kills, they dont all have to be physcopaths do they. On here its like we have to agree hes one because if he did kill them what else could he be.?

My, my. That's a very assured statement for one so unsure. I wonder how you know that for certain?

"Bloody monsters who don't give a damn about another person's life" goes a very long way to describing a psychopath. Whether their motive be sex or money, that they're prepared to kill without a second thought is a good indication of psychopathy. You said it yourself (and given that I doubt he knelt by their bodies and asked for forgiveness) what else could he be?..........................however, people are free to believe what they choose.

[maggie]

Well none of those professionals that say he is have seen him have they? come on Jane, we are all adults here, we have to believe that those professionals that have tested him know best. We cant just allow our feelings for the man to distort the truth.

No I dont believe every murderer has to be a Physcopath, I am sure they cant all be. People murder because they are bloody monsters who dont give a damm about another persons life. there are many reasons why someone kills, they dont all have to be physcopaths do they. On here its like we have to agree hes one because if he did kill them what else could he be.?

Hi notsure, the fact is people who 'don't give a damn about another person's life' have many of the attributes of a psychopth. 

If a prisoner is a 'Psychopath'  he would more than likely be described as suffering from an Anti Social Personality Disorder however, that is a matter for the prison and it is unlikely to be discussed outside the prison service, it would not necessarily be public knowledge.

There are many offenders with many kinds of personality disorders within the prison system and from what I have been told such psychological statements/diagnosis are only used for rehabilitation purposes, beyond that it doesn't appear  to be much of an issue.

[Jane]

Hi notsure, the fact is people who 'don't give a damn about another person's life' have many of the attributes of a psychopth. 

If a prisoner is a 'Psychopath'  he would more than likely be described as suffering from an Anti Social Personality Disorder however, that is a matter for the prison and it is unlikely to be discussed outside the prison service, it would not necessarily be public knowledge.

There are many offenders with many kinds of personality disorders within the prison system and from what I have been told such psychological statements/diagnosis are only used for rehabilitation purposes, beyond that it doesn't appear  to be much of an issue.

Maggie, such information would only be given out on a need to know basis. Not only does the general public NOT have a "need to know", it doesn't have a right to know, either.

[maggie]

Maggie, such information would only be given out on a need to know basis. Not only does the general public NOT have a "need to know", it doesn't have a right to know, either.

That is right Jane, we are not privy to such information.