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Offline Caroline

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2016, 11:06:AM »
You are probably right.

However if the theory is true then :

My suspect would hold a grudge for his entire life.
He would not only wanted Jeremy dead but probably still does.
He would have wanted Neville and every member of his family dead.

It is what the guy is like and how he operates.

And he would blame Mi6 for being responsible for wiping out his own family in the 1940's
This guy would kill a persons family decades later just over a drugs deal if thats how long it took him to find them.
Like i say it is just what the guy is like ...

Using a .22 rifle?
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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2016, 11:15:AM »
i have trouble with this thoery because the alleged sas soldier has never come forward himself that makes me think ether destefno made him up or his not really an sas soldier just a fantisist.

and destefno has never said wich murders are simlar the bamber ones.

If such a person exists i would like to trace him - i am attempting to ...

De Stefano did publish the list of the 5 people the SAS guy allegedly gave him.
I have looked into some of these cases.
I will try to post a link as soon as i have a spare minute unless anyone else has it to hand ?
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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2016, 11:20:AM »
He grasped at any straw - just a means of complicating things. The truth is often a lot less complicated.

Very possible i agree ...

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2016, 11:23:AM »
You have to also ask WHY a rogue enemy agent would use the Bambers own .22 rifle and not his/her own weapon?

He would definately want it to look like Sheila did it ...
He allegedly killed people and made it look like suicide in other murders.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2016, 11:27:AM »
for any third party to have been responsible they would of ha to have known about shielas islness and i cant see the people destephno is acusing knowing that.

IF this guy was involved he would have known absolutely EVERYTHING about every member of the Bamber family and all their associates before he made his move - he is no amateur and is a very thorough ...

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2016, 11:34:AM »
You have to also ask WHY a rogue enemy agent would use the Bambers own .22 rifle and not his/her own weapon?






For obvious reasons. I'd imagine they have specialized weapons which would be easily traced dependent on the nature of the assassination,so that's why they'd use other weapons to hand in the hope that someone else gets the blame.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2016, 11:37:AM »
Here is DeStefanos list :

The murders being linked are:

* Scientist Sir Jack Drummond, murdered with his wife and 10-year-old daughter on a camping holiday in France 1952.  It has since been claimed that he was a spy.

* Sir Jack Drummond's secretary Miss June Marshall, murdered in Dieppe, France, In 1956.

* Sir Oliver Duncan was murdered in Rome, in 1964.
 
* Major Michael Lasseter was murdered in Cannes, France, in 1973.

* Professor John Cartland, also known as a former secret agent, murdered on a camping holiday in Provence, France, in 1973.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2016, 11:39:AM »





For obvious reasons. I'd imagine they have specialized weapons which would be easily traced dependent on the nature of the assassination,so that's why they'd use other weapons to hand in the hope that someone else gets the blame.

Exactly he would have wanted it to look like Sheila did it ...

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2016, 11:41:AM »
Here is DeStefanos list :

The murders being linked are:

* Scientist Sir Jack Drummond, murdered with his wife and 10-year-old daughter on a camping holiday in France 1952.  It has since been claimed that he was a spy.

* Sir Jack Drummond's secretary Miss June Marshall, murdered in Dieppe, France, In 1956.

* Sir Oliver Duncan was murdered in Rome, in 1964.

a time range like that suggests it could be complete coincidence.
 
* Major Michael Lasseter was murdered in Cannes, France, in 1973.

* Professor John Cartland, also known as a former secret agent, murdered on a camping holiday in Provence, France, in 1973.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2016, 11:50:AM »
IF this guy was involved he would have known absolutely EVERYTHING about every member of the Bamber family and all their associates before he made his move - he is no amateur and is a very thorough ...
Not thorough enough to know that Bamber did not live there?  Remember Nevilles words from Bamber your sister/ Sheila has got the gun or to that effect, what assassin who is top draw material would leave himself wide open for Bamber to phone the police?

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2016, 12:07:PM »
Not thorough enough to know that Bamber did not live there?  Remember Nevilles words from Bamber your sister/ Sheila has got the gun or to that effect, what assassin who is top draw material would leave himself wide open for Bamber to phone the police?

They would have known that.
They would have had very little chance to get all the family in one place at one time.
Maybe their best opportunity was that night.
Jeremy not being there was a minor inconvenience.
They would have forced Neville to make the call.
They would know it was 50/50 whether Jeremy would arrive alone or with Police.
They got unlucky and when they saw the police simply left the farm under cover of darkness.
They could have dealt with Jeremy later - he wasnt the main target.

Then a member of the family got talking with Julie and they jointly convinced themselves Jeremy did it.
They were not prepared to let him get away with it.
So they arranged to plant the silencer and for Julie to confess.
DS Jones had not liked Jeremy from the start and suspected him.
He would therefore be all to willing to uncritically accept Julies confession ...

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2016, 12:12:PM »
They would have known that.
They would have had very little chance to get all the family in one place at one time.
Maybe their best opportunity was that night.
Jeremy not being there was a minor inconvenience.
They would have forced Neville to make the call.
They would know it was 50/50 whether Jeremy would arrive alone or with Police.
They got unlucky and when they saw the police simply left the farm under cover of darkness.
They could have dealt with Jeremy later - he wasnt the main target.

Then a member of the family got talking with Julie and they jointly convinced themselves Jeremy did it.
They were not prepared to let him get away with it.
So they arranged to plant the silencer and for Julie to confess.
DS Jones had not liked Jeremy from the start and suspected him.
He would therefore be all to willing to uncritically accept Julies confession ...


This all sounds very much like a "make it up as you go using opposition points to build on" fiction.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2016, 12:13:PM »
Exactly he would have wanted it to look like Sheila did it ...

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2016, 12:19:PM »

This all sounds very much like a "make it up as you go using opposition points to build on" fiction.
One of Enid Blyton's books Jane.

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Re: Was there a hitman (or two) ?
« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2016, 12:20:PM »

This all sounds very much like a "make it up as you go using opposition points to build on" fiction.

If DeStefano lied about the SAS guy then of course this theory is built on a fiction.
If he was telling the truth then it is still a possible chain of events ...