Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[Jane]

Yes this is him.
He was made bankrupt because of not paying his multiple fines.
He is second on the list of bankruptcies here :

http://www.insolvency.govt.nz/cms/support/news-and-public-notices/public-notices/archived-notices/2013-notices/21-June-2013

Seperate reports from a new zealand official relating to this type of offence state that many such traders make so much money from this that they look on the very large fines as just a cost of doing business and pay the fines every time.

I seem to recall that when I first joined the forum -several years back- that a "search" was done on BC which revealed him to have been made bankrupt/prosecuted? for motor related offences.

[sherlock]

Why would Mi6 kill 2 children, why would Mi6 go to the trouble of framing Sheila, surely if they wanted Bamber as well it would have been planned better, don't forget who the Lawyer was who made these claims Giovanni De Stefano.

With respect you completely mis understand the Mi6 theory.

NO ONE including Bamber or De Stefano has ever said Mi6 were involved in the murders.

And of course Mi6 do not murder children or frame people.

The theory is that June and probably Neville were themselves ex Mi6.
An "enemy" of Mi6 then killed them as revenge for the work they did on behalf of Mi6.
And they are one of 5 such ex Mi6 officers to be killed in similar circumstances.

De Stefano whilst Bambers lawyer stated that he was approached by an ex SAS soldier.
Mi6 and SAS work very closely together.
This SAS guy told Stefano that he knew that there were 5 related cases of murders of ex MI6 officers and that the Bambers were one of the cases.

If an ex SAS guy did actually say this then it would very likely be true.
The only question is whether De Stefano is lying or not about being approached by this SAS guy.

De Stefano's credibility in general is in doubt because of his own prison sentence.

[sherlock]

I seem to recall that when I first joined the forum -several years back- that a "search" was done on BC which revealed him to have been made bankrupt/prosecuted? for motor related offences.

The date of the bankruptcy was 2013 - 2 and a half years ago.
Yes it was for motor related offences.

[guest7363]

With respect you completely mis understand the Mi6 theory.

NO ONE including Bamber or De Stefano has ever said Mi6 were involved in the murders.

And of course Mi6 do not murder children or frame people.

The theory is that June and probably Neville were themselves ex Mi6.
An "enemy" of Mi6 then killed them as revenge for the work they did on behalf of Mi6.
And they are one of 5 such ex Mi6 officers to be killed in similar circumstances.

De Stefano whilst Bambers lawyer stated that he was approached by an ex SAS soldier.
Mi5 and SAS work very closely together.
This SAS guy told Stefano that he knew that there were 5 related cases of murders of ex MI6 officers and that the Bambers were one of the cases.

If an ex SAS guy did actually say this then it would very likely be true.
The only question is whether De Stefano is lying or not about being approached by this SAS guy.

De Stefano's credibility in general is in doubt because of his own prison sentence.

Thanks for that Sherlock, De Stefano can't believe anything he says sorry, June ex Mi6 not heard that one before.  I have read how SAS worked in Northern Irleland in The Nemisis files, my son in law has spent 23 years in the parachute regiment and worked closely with the SAS ask him or them about killing women and children nah cannot see it Sherlock.

[Caroline]

The date of the bankruptcy was 2013 - 2 and a half years ago.
Yes it was for motor related offences.

Remember your theory about some picture being Sheila? This has the same credibility. When Jeremy was arrested BC was checked out and he wasn't in the country but what has BC got to do with MI6?

[Caroline]

Thanks for that Sherlock, De Stefano can't believe anything he says sorry, June ex Mi6 not heard that one before.  I have read how SAS worked in Northern Irleland in The Nemisis files, my son in law has spent 23 years in the parachute regiment and worked closely with the SAS ask him or them about killing women and children nah cannot see it Sherlock.

June did work for MI5 Justice, she was a wireless operator. She apparently worked on a few secret missions during the war with a group called the SOE (Special Operation Executive), it's the Carol Ann Lee Book. I agree that if someone had a beef with Nevill, they wouldn't kill the whole family but I find the whole MI6 connection a step too far.

[guest7363]

June did work for MI5 Justice, she was a wireless operator. She apparently worked on a few secret missions during the war with a group called the SOE (Special Operation Executive), it's the Carol Ann Lee Book. I agree that if someone had a beef with Nevill, they wouldn't kill the whole family but I find the whole MI6 connection a step too far.

Thanks for that Caroline, never knew that, long time for anyone to hold a grudge from the war, then 40 years later decide to wipe the whole family out and leave Jeremy alive.  It's probably a theory and a step too far like you said that's been put together with De Stefano.

[nugnug]

i have trouble with this thoery because the alleged sas soldier has never come forward himself that makes me think ether destefno made him up or his not really an sas soldier just a fantisist.

and destefno has never said wich murders are simlar the bamber ones.

[Caroline]

Thanks for that Caroline, never knew that, long time for anyone to hold a grudge from the war, then 40 years later decide to wipe the whole family out and leave Jeremy alive.  It's probably a theory and a step too far like you said that's been put together with De Stefano.

He grasped at any straw - just a means of complicating things. The truth is often a lot less complicated.

[nugnug]

for any third party to have been responsible they would of ha to have known about shielas islness and i cant see the people destephno is acusing knowing that.

[Caroline]

You have to also ask WHY a rogue enemy agent would use the Bambers own .22 rifle and not his/her own weapon?

[sherlock]

Remember your theory about some picture being Sheila? This has the same credibility. When Jeremy was arrested BC was checked out and he wasn't in the country but what has BC got to do with MI6?

I not only remember the picture theory but am still working on it.
I have still not ruled it out.
Last week i met the officer who traced the lady in the painting.
I have still not ruled out a connection between that painting and Sheila

Do you know any details of how thoroughly Bretts Greek alibi was checked out ?

If Brett was involved it would very likely not be connected with the Mi6 theory.
If there is a revengeful person kiling ex Mi6 officers then it is remotely possible Brett may have been one of this guys pawns.

I am looking into a lot of different theories so statistically most of my theories are of course wrong.
After all only one theory can be correct.
One theory i think is very possible is that Bamber is guilty as charged.
But maybe there is more to this case ...

[sherlock]

Thanks for that Sherlock, De Stefano can't believe anything he says sorry, June ex Mi6 not heard that one before.  I have read how SAS worked in Northern Irleland in The Nemisis files, my son in law has spent 23 years in the parachute regiment and worked closely with the SAS ask him or them about killing women and children nah cannot see it Sherlock.

NO ONE is accusing the SAS of involvement in the murders.
The allegation is that an enemy of the British state carried out the murders because the Bambers were ex MI6.
And of course the SAS do not kill children or innocent women.

[Jane]

One theory i think is very possible is that Bamber is guilty as charged.

Thank God for that. I was beginning to fear for your sanity

[sherlock]

Thanks for that Caroline, never knew that, long time for anyone to hold a grudge from the war, then 40 years later decide to wipe the whole family out and leave Jeremy alive.  It's probably a theory and a step too far like you said that's been put together with De Stefano.

You are probably right.

However if the theory is true then :

My suspect would hold a grudge for his entire life.
He would not only wanted Jeremy dead but probably still does.
He would have wanted Neville and every member of his family dead.

It is what the guy is like and how he operates.

And he would blame Mi6 for being responsible for wiping out his own family in the 1940's
This guy would kill a persons family decades later just over a drugs deal if thats how long it took him to find them.
Like i say it is just what the guy is like ...