Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[Jane]

we have allways considred if you bothre to actullyread our posts.

we just considring other things as wel.

I have no problem with that....................so long as the suggestions are plausible even if they're not believable.

[Caroline]

we have allways considred if you bothre to actullyread our posts.

we just considring other things as wel.

I have seen you consider Jeremy being guilty but there are some who have never done that.

[lookout]

Thank-you for quoting, Lookout.........................but SURELY you're not suggesting that members who suggest goofy theories are "probably smashed"

Did I say members ? No I didn't.You did. Just because I posted what I did. Words in mouth----again.

[Jane]

Did I say members ? No I didn't.You did. Just because I posted what I did. Words in mouth----again.

You forget, Lookout. In MY world, nothing is said, done, written or happens for NO reason. Everything has a background. Following these rules, I can say that it was the words YOU wrote which prompted my response. You COULD, of course, say that as my words were entirely tongue in cheek, your own response wasn't necessary.

[nugnug]

I have no problem with that....................so long as the suggestions are plausible even if they're not believable.

whats plausable is a matter of opionion.

[sherlock]

Is it only a quantum leap from the merely speculative to knowledge of a vengeful individual who "is one of the most feared men in America even today" OR perhaps you're competing with Mike to see who can come up with the most outlandish theory OR are you simply  trying to muddy the waters for fun?

I am 100% not on this forum for fun.
I am 100% not trying to muddy the water.
I am 100% not in any type of competition with Mike.

Yes it is a large quantum leap.
But if there is any truth in the mi6 theory (as put forward by Bambers own lawyer) then i have identified a likely suspect.
Until i know more i think it wrong to go into detail on here about the additional reasons i have to suspect his involvement.
Coincidentally it is almost certain along with very many other people at the time Jeremy and Sheila would have been buying their drugs (particularly hashish) at least some of the time from drug networks in england controlled by this individual - that part is fact not theory.
If he did have them on his hit list he would have known everything about every member of the Bamber family and all their associates before making a move.

There are many very different types of people in this world ...

[sherlock]

Collins wasn't even in the country at the time of the murders!!

All that is known is that some days (maybe a week ?) after the murders he boarded a flight from Greece to England to see his newly enriched friend Jeremy stating he had been in Greece since before the murders.

His word is not good enough for me on that point - is it for you ?

I can tell you for a fact in 1985 if he had left England (say the day after the murders) through Dover and travelled onto Greece there would have been no record whatsoever of his movements - and he was a bit of a traveller wasn't he ?

So are you really sure you know where Brett Collins was on the night of 6th August 1985 ?

I am not ...

By the way Robert Boutflour and Essex Police both suspected he might well have had some involvement in the murders ...

[nugnug]

i did think of breet myself but then agian he seems an unlikely hitman to me.

[John]

Everyone knows Bamber didn't hire a hit man.

He didn't mix in the sort of circles where he would find someone who would do the job. Who does ?

Bamber didn't have the finance to pay someone. A hit man would want a substantial payment in advance. The hit man was going to kill five people, two women and two children
 

If Bamber started asking people about where to find a hit man, this would be mentioned to the police by those people after the massacre.

Bamber had the motivation, knowledge and courage to carry out the massacre. He was confident enough to outside WHF with the police, a few minutes after the massacre.

The crime was committed mainly for inheritance. Why wluld Bamber pay out a slice of this to a hit man, if he could do it himself.

I tend to agree Adam.  Only someone who was totally depraved and psychopathic would murder two tots as they slept.  You would be hard pressed to find any hitman who would contemplate such a crime for a pittance.

Out of interest, are there any recorded cases in the last thirty years of a paid assassin murdering children?

[sherlock]

i did think of breet myself but then agian he seems an unlikely hitman to me.

Why do you think he would be an unlikely hitman - any reason ?

Jeremy told Julie he paid the hitman 2,000 pounds

I think there is general agreement that this seems a far too low a sum for a hitman

Jeremy got his parents to send 2,000 to him when in Australia which he later told his father he had given to a friend - presumably in my opinion most likely Brett

Is there some sort of connection between these two different lots of 2,000 pounds ?

There are rumours that at this time in Australia someone got shot (in a robbery) in connection with Brett and Jeremy - maybe the 2,000 Jeremy gave Brett was to help Brett out in connection with this eg maybe Brett needed the money to lie low for a while ?

English media at the time reported a possible romantic link between Brett and Jeremy
At least one french newspaper reported it as more of a master (brett) / slave (Jeremy) relationship.

If this was true then Brett would have effectively controlled Jeremy and the entirety of Jeremys newly inherited fortune - more financially rewarding than a mere hitmans fee ...

By the way Brett has recently been made bankrupt in new zealand in connection with low level criminal activity over the last few years - he made about 200,000 pounds or more from these activities ...

[lookout]

 Why then,was Brett threatening to rush off to the Sun newspaper to report that Jeremy was being framed as soon as he'd returned from Greece ?  In fact I think he actually told the Sun. Nobody would draw attention to themselves in this way.

[sherlock]

Why then,was Brett threatening to rush off to the Sun newspaper to report that Jeremy was being framed as soon as he'd returned from Greece ?  In fact I think he actually told the Sun. Nobody would draw attention to themselves in this way.

If i understand what you mean correctly then it would be because he knew their new found fortune would not materialise should Jeremy be convicted - he was already known to be very close to Jeremy so was already heavily on the radar - in fact if Jeremy were convicted then it would increase suspicion on Brett also not decrease it ...

If Jeremy had been found not guilty then i and most other people would never ever have heard Bretts name - because Jeremy was convicted Bretts name will forever be associated with the murders ...

Brett had every reason to hope Jeremy was not convicted - and who knows maybe he had some strong feelings for his friend as well and was desperately looking forward to a luxury life with him ....

[John]

By the way Brett has recently been made bankrupt in new zealand in connection with low level criminal activity over the last few years - he made about 200,000 pounds or more from these activities ...

Is this the one you mean?

An unregistered vehicle dealer has been fined a record $30,000 following his fifth conviction in eight years.

The 61-year-old Waiheke Island man, Brett Eric Collins, was convicted in the Auckland District Court of unregistered trading in motor vehicles.

He sold eight vehicles in 12 months, which exceeded the limit of six allowed under the Motor Vehicle Sales Act.

More...

[guest7363]

I am 100% not on this forum for fun.
I am 100% not trying to muddy the water.
I am 100% not in any type of competition with Mike.

Yes it is a large quantum leap.
But if there is any truth in the mi6 theory (as put forward by Bambers own lawyer) then i have identified a likely suspect.
Until i know more i think it wrong to go into detail on here about the additional reasons i have to suspect his involvement.
Coincidentally it is almost certain along with very many other people at the time Jeremy and Sheila would have been buying their drugs (particularly hashish) at least some of the time from drug networks in england controlled by this individual - that part is fact not theory.
If he did have them on his hit list he would have known everything about every member of the Bamber family and all their associates before making a move.

There are many very different types of people in this world ...

Why would Mi6 kill 2 children, why would Mi6 go to the trouble of framing Sheila, surely if they wanted Bamber as well it would have been planned better, don't forget who the Lawyer was who made these claims Giovanni De Stefano.

[sherlock]

Is this the one you mean?

An unregistered vehicle dealer has been fined a record $30,000 following his fifth conviction in eight years.

The 61-year-old Waiheke Island man, Brett Eric Collins, was convicted in the Auckland District Court of unregistered trading in motor vehicles.

He sold eight vehicles in 12 months, which exceeded the limit of six allowed under the Motor Vehicle Sales Act.

More...

Yes this is him.
He was made bankrupt because of not paying his multiple fines.
He is second on the list of bankruptcies here :

http://www.insolvency.govt.nz/cms/support/news-and-public-notices/public-notices/archived-notices/2013-notices/21-June-2013

Seperate reports from a new zealand official relating to this type of offence state that many such traders make so much money from this that they look on the very large fines as just a cost of doing business and pay the fines every time.