Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[sherlock]

As already pointed out, it doesn't really matter if Jeremy commissioned the crime and had someone else carry it out as he is guilty by association and the crime is one of joint enterprise.

Only Jeremy knew how to get into and out of the farmhouse without leaving any evidence of an incursion. Jeremy implicated his sister from the off and the crimescene was made to look like an inside job but it wasn't.  Jeremy could very well have passed that information onto a third party or even have let them in while he stood guard outside, only he knows the truth of what really happened.

As far as anyone else having prior knowledge of the crime is concerned you only have to look at the facts.

Which particular facts should i be looking at ?

[sherlock]

However,getting back to the hitman theory,I'd doubt very much that Jeremy would have wanted to have come out of prison if he'd been involved in such an activity and because he'd allegedly used the name of MM,Jeremy will be lucky to remain alive once released for having involved him.

I have reason to believe from seperate enquiries that Bambers life is in the most serious danger should he ever be released - it's a small world - but MM does not feature in this to my knowledge ...

[sherlock]

Just another straw to go on clutching at, ie "If it please m'lud, he has to be released coz there might have been a hit man wot dun it".

You are wrong - more a case of not wanting a killer to remain free to kill again - if there was a hitman involved he need locking up - agreed ? and if Jeremy employed him then he needs to stay where he is - agreed ?

[sherlock]

Hm, but a somewhat extreme and fanciful one, along the lines of the theory of Nevill's war time escapades coming back to haunt him.

A THOUGHT! What was said hit man hoping to gain from the deaths of 3 adults, 2 children and a potential if he could get him to play ball, and who was going to pay him?

At least some ones being paying attention - well done
You have a good and long memory but are you the only one ?

By the way i have recently found out Neville was stationed in Jerusalem in 1944
If the war time revenge theory is true then my main suspect for the alleged five Mi6 murders not only comes from Jerusalem but his hatred of MI6 would have been because of Mi6 activities in Jerusalem between 1944 and 1948 when he then moved to America ...

It is VERY likely Neville was in Jerusalem working for Mi6 - don't forget June was ex Mi6

Before anyone says different i should tell you that Mi6 was known as SOE (Special Operations Executive) during the war - they changed the name to Mi6 after the war ...

[Jane]

At least some ones being paying attention - well done
You have a good and long memory but are you the only one ?

By the way i have recently found out Neville was stationed in Jerusalem in 1944
If the war time revenge theory is true then my main suspect for the alleged five Mi6 murders not only comes from Jerusalem but his hatred of MI6 would have been because of Mi6 activities in Jerusalem between 1944 and 1948 when he then moved to America ...

It is VERY likely Neville was in Jerusalem working for Mi6 - don't forget June was ex Mi6

Before anyone says different i should tell you that Mi6 was known as SOE (Special Operations Executive) during the war - they changed the name to Mi6 after the war ...

I had believed all of the above to be common knowledge. I not PREPARED to believe that ANY group sought retribution, some 40 years on, for some perceived war time activity -even Nazi criminals were put on trial- relating to whom, by the way? NOR am I prepared to believe that said retribution would include a young woman and her children who had no blood connection to whomsoever was regarded as being "guilty" and thus deserving of such punishment.

[sherlock]

I had believed all of the above to be common knowledge. I not PREPARED to believe that ANY group sought retribution, some 40 years on, for some perceived war time activity -even Nazi criminals were put on trial- relating to whom, by the way? NOR am I prepared to believe that said retribution would include a young woman and her children who had no blood connection to whomsoever was regarded as being "guilty" and thus deserving of such punishment.

My theory is not that "a group" carried out the retribution.
It is purely that one particular individual did.
The retribution would be because this extremely powerful individual blamed Mi6 for what he perceived that they did to his own family ie wipe them all out including women and children en mass.
All five mi6 officers that have died were involved in the activities that he blames for the massacre of his family and many many members of his community.
It is known that this individual is very revengeful and does not ever stop tracking his enemies down however long it takes - he is one of the most feared men in America even today.
It is conceivable he obtained a list of the "responsible" mi6 officers and then ordered the wiping out of them and every member of their families - ie a tooth for a tooth
He would not care if children were not blood related ie adopted -that would not spare them.
These "activities" were mainly based in Jerusalem 1944 - 1948
Believe me if he was aware of Neville Bamber wartime activities he would have hated him with a passion his entire life - was he aware of Neville Bamber ? Did he do anything about it ?

[Jane]

My theory is not that "a group" carried out the retribution.
It is purely that one particular individual did.
The retribution would be because this extremely powerful individual blamed Mi6 for what he perceived that they did to his own family ie wipe them all out including women and children en mass.
All five mi6 officers that have died were involved in the activities that he blames for the massacre of his family and many many members of his community.
It is known that this individual is very revengeful and does not ever stop tracking his enemies down however long it takes - he is one of the most feared men in America even today.
It is conceivable he obtained a list of the "responsible" mi6 officers and then ordered the wiping out of them and every member of their families - ie a tooth for a tooth
He would not care if children were not blood related ie adopted -that would not spare them.
These "activities" were mainly based in Jerusalem 1944 - 1948
Believe me if he was aware of Neville Bamber wartime activities he would have hated him with a passion his entire life - was he aware of Neville Bamber ? Did he do anything about it ?

Is it only a quantum leap from the merely speculative to knowledge of a vengeful individual who "is one of the most feared men in America even today" OR perhaps you're competing with Mike to see who can come up with the most outlandish theory OR are you simply  trying to muddy the waters for fun?

[Caroline]

With respect not everyone knows Bamber didn't hire a hit man - for example i don't know that and i am sure i am not the only one

No one knows ALL the circles Bamber mixed in - for example who did he mix with in Australia ?
We know he dealt drugs - but can you really say you or any one else knows who much about the characters that supplied him ? He definately had dealings with a fair amount of assorted criminals probably in more than one country - in short NO ONE knows who he knew ...

I agree 2,000 would not even cover a deposit on a hit - coincidence it is the same amount sent to him in Australia though ...

What if for example Brett was the hitman - he would not have needed an advance payment would he ? And if it was Brett he wouldn't tell the police afterwards would he ? And it would prevent Bamber from confessing all these years - possibly - and he maybe wouldn't mind sharing the windfall with Brett - after all they were obviously very close best friends and after the killings he was happy to spend lavishly with Brett ...

Why do you say he had the courage to do it ? what reasons do you have for that conclusion ?

Collins wasn't even in the country at the time of the murders!!

[Caroline]

My theory is not that "a group" carried out the retribution.
It is purely that one particular individual did.
The retribution would be because this extremely powerful individual blamed Mi6 for what he perceived that they did to his own family ie wipe them all out including women and children en mass.
All five mi6 officers that have died were involved in the activities that he blames for the massacre of his family and many many members of his community.
It is known that this individual is very revengeful and does not ever stop tracking his enemies down however long it takes - he is one of the most feared men in America even today.
It is conceivable he obtained a list of the "responsible" mi6 officers and then ordered the wiping out of them and every member of their families - ie a tooth for a tooth
He would not care if children were not blood related ie adopted -that would not spare them.
These "activities" were mainly based in Jerusalem 1944 - 1948
Believe me if he was aware of Neville Bamber wartime activities he would have hated him with a passion his entire life - was he aware of Neville Bamber ? Did he do anything about it ?

And here we go once again, back in the realms of fantasy - perhaps the killer was James Bond? 

[nugnug]

You are wrong - more a case of not wanting a killer to remain free to kill again - if there was a hitman involved he need locking up - agreed ? and if Jeremy employed him then he needs to stay where he is - agreed ?

i dont see how anyone could argue with that.

[nugnug]

My theory is not that "a group" carried out the retribution.
It is purely that one particular individual did.
The retribution would be because this extremely powerful individual blamed Mi6 for what he perceived that they did to his own family ie wipe them all out including women and children en mass.
All five mi6 officers that have died were involved in the activities that he blames for the massacre of his family and many many members of his community.
It is known that this individual is very revengeful and does not ever stop tracking his enemies down however long it takes - he is one of the most feared men in America even today.
It is conceivable he obtained a list of the "responsible" mi6 officers and then ordered the wiping out of them and every member of their families - ie a tooth for a tooth
He would not care if children were not blood related ie adopted -that would not spare them.
These "activities" were mainly based in Jerusalem 1944 - 1948
Believe me if he was aware of Neville Bamber wartime activities he would have hated him with a passion his entire life - was he aware of Neville Bamber ? Did he do anything about it ?

if a third party comited the crime they would of had to have known certan things like sheilas ilness and jeremys phone number and that they would more likely be somone closer to home.

[Jane]

if a third party comited the crime they would of had to have known certan things like sheilas ilness and jeremys phone number and that they would more likely be somone closer to home.

Back to Jeremy again. I remain AMAZED by the vividness of the imaginations of those who stop JUST short of accusing little green men from outer space before they'll consider that it was JEREMY all along.

[lookout]

Back to Jeremy again. I remain AMAZED by the vividness of the imaginations of those who stop JUST short of accusing little green men from outer space before they'll consider that it was JEREMY all along.

Blimey,you've only to look to one of the relatives who'd suggested a landing strip where light aircraft dropped off supplies of drugs to WHF. He was probably smashed when he said it,and no doubt saw little green men !

[nugnug]

Back to Jeremy again. I remain AMAZED by the vividness of the imaginations of those who stop JUST short of accusing little green men from outer space before they'll consider that it was JEREMY all along.

we have allways considred if you bothre to actullyread our posts.

we just considring other things as wel.

[Jane]

Blimey,you've only to look to one of the relatives who'd suggested a landing strip where light aircraft dropped off supplies of drugs to WHF. He was probably smashed when he said it,and no doubt saw little green men !

Thank-you for quoting, Lookout.........................but SURELY you're not suggesting that members who suggest goofy theories are "probably smashed"