Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[Caroline]

slightly off topic but there were reports of a hunched man leaving the area after Police arrived.
If true then they would not have left until after they realised Jeremy had turned up with the Police.
With the Police keeping a distance it would not have been difficult to slip away in the dark

No there weren't!!  That was a claim made here along with many, many others that are total BS.

[Caroline]

Hopefully John will enlighten us shortly.
He did say "there is every possibility that a third party knew of the plan ahead of time and could also have faced a conspiracy to murder charge."
He then said when asked who he meant "I'm afraid I can't say for legal reasons."
Sounds to me like he knows something ...

Sounds to me like you're stirring. John gave his opinion and said he didn't want to elaborate - that should be enough.

[Caroline]

they wouldent nescarly have known that the police were going to come.

This is making less and less sense as it goes along. So how would a hit man killing all of the family help Jeremy? He'd still need an alibi so would still need the phone call to distance himself from the crime scene. Surely the hit man would have to KNOW that Jeremy intended to call the police (otherwise there is no alibi). So why would he wait until they turned up? Just so he could dance at the window before miraculously escaping undetected? Had Jeremy not told him he was calling the police and as a result, the hit man ende up being caught - Jeremy would STILL be busted.

[nugnug]

if jeremy hired a hitman then theres no evedence to say the hitman did stick around to wait for the police.

if we go on sherlocks secound thory that it was somone trying to lure jeremy ovrr there then they wouldent know jeremy was going to bring the police.

[Jane]

if jeremy hired a hitman then theres no evedence to say the hitman did stick around to wait for the police.

if we go on sherlocks secound thory that it was somone trying to lure jeremy ovrr there then they wouldent know jeremy was going to bring the police.

Erm, with a "lure" like "your sister has gone mad and has got hold of a gun" there are few, if ANY, who wouldn't call the police.

[lookout]

 Well seeing that Sheila had still been alive AFTER the supposed sighting of a REPORTED hunched-up person, he/she hadn't done a very good job of killing her ??

This sighting had been written in a national newspaper by journalist Kim Sengupta, at the time. No follow up was ever recorded.

 Why bother when everyone had set their sights on Jeremy ?

[Jane]

Well seeing that Sheila had still been alive AFTER the supposed sighting of a REPORTED hunched-up person, he/she hadn't done a very good job of killing her ??

This sighting had been written in a national newspaper by journalist Kim Sengupta, at the time. No follow up was ever recorded.

 Why bother when everyone had set their sights on Jeremy ?

Especially when we all know that everything printed is gospel truth. NOT!!! Lookout, if this wasn't about Jeremy, you, more than the rest of us, are cynical and mistrusting enough, to  say exactly what I've just said.

[nugnug]

Erm, with a "lure" like "your sister has gone mad and has got hold of a gun" there are few, if ANY, who wouldn't call the police.

some people might not do they might think they could handel it on there own.

[Jane]

some people might not do they might think they could handel it on there own.

So you don't think it's one hell of a risk to take after you've just killed 5 people?

[nugnug]

not if your intending to kill 6.

[lookout]

 I wonder how many times Jeremy had helped his father to restrain Sheila ? Seemingly it wasn't a rare occurrence and one in which " sanity " had been contained on previous occasions without further interventions.

One example of Sheila's " wilfullness " was when 3 medics were unable to restrain her,which tells me that the medication wasn't working then.

[Caroline]

if jeremy hired a hitman then theres no evedence to say the hitman did stick around to wait for the police.

if we go on sherlocks secound thory that it was somone trying to lure jeremy ovrr there then they wouldent know jeremy was going to bring the police.

Actually, Luring Jeremy over was Jan's suggestion. However .....

OK First theory - Jeremy hires a hitman;

So how would a hit man killing all of the family help Jeremy? He'd still need an alibi so would still need the phone call to distance himself from the crime scene. Surely the hit man would have to KNOW that Jeremy intended to call the police (otherwise there is no alibi). So why would he wait until they turned up? Just so he could dance at the window before miraculously escaping undetected? Had Jeremy not told him he was calling the police and as a result, the hit man ende up being caught - Jeremy would STILL be busted.

Someone lures Jeremy over to WHF in order to kill him too by telling him "Sheila has gone carzy, she's got the gun";

The reason this theory falls flat, is because the spoof caller couldn't know for sure if Jeremy would come to WHF or if he would call the police. Such a person would make themselves a sitting duck with a house full of bodies.

[Jane]

I wonder how many times Jeremy had helped his father to restrain Sheila ? Seemingly it wasn't a rare occurrence and one in which " sanity " had been contained on previous occasions without further interventions.

One example of Sheila's " wilfullness " was when 3 medics were unable to restrain her,which tells me that the medication wasn't working then.

Oh Lookout! How many more times must this be said? She wasn't taking her meds when she had the second breakdown. THAT is precisely why they decided to inject them.

There is nothing to suggest it wasn't a rare occurrence OTHER than she was only hospitalized TWICE. If previous "blips" had been contained by Nevill's soothing tones, they were hardly likely to have required Jeremy's input -even if he was available- and clearly weren't serious enough for professional assistance.

[lookout]

Oh Lookout! How many more times must this be said? She wasn't taking her meds when she had the second breakdown. THAT is precisely why they decided to inject them.

There is nothing to suggest it wasn't a rare occurrence OTHER than she was only hospitalized TWICE. If previous "blips" had been contained by Nevill's soothing tones, they were hardly likely to have required Jeremy's input -even if he was available- and clearly weren't serious enough for professional assistance.

I'm talking about meds prior to her injections when she was supposed to have been initially assessed.

[Jane]

I'm talking about meds prior to her injections when she was supposed to have been initially assessed.

I wasn't aware that details of her first breakdown had ever been released but I'm perfectly convinced she wouldn't have been on anti psychotics BEFORE she'd been diagnosed as being psychotic. I think you're WELL aware that part of the reason for the relapse and second admission to St Andrew's was because she wasn't taking the meds prescribed after the FIRST admission.