Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[lookout]

However,getting back to the hitman theory,I'd doubt very much that Jeremy would have wanted to have come out of prison if he'd been involved in such an activity and because he'd allegedly used the name of MM,Jeremy will be lucky to remain alive once released for having involved him.

[Jane]

However,getting back to the hitman theory,I'd doubt very much that Jeremy would have wanted to have come out of prison if he'd been involved in such an activity and because he'd allegedly used the name of MM,Jeremy will be lucky to remain alive once released for having involved him.

He certainly will be. He didn't get away with it but he tried very hard to implicate MM, who, if still alive, could, IF Jeremy is ever released, see the need to revenge himself.

[guest154]

No hitman. Nothing known adds up to a hitman.

[Jane]

No hitman. Nothing known adds up to a hitman.

Just another straw to go on clutching at, ie "If it please m'lud, he has to be released coz there might have been a hit man wot dun it".

[nugnug]

Actually, Luring Jeremy over was Jan's suggestion. However .....

OK First theory - Jeremy hires a hitman;

So how would a hit man killing all of the family help Jeremy? He'd still need an alibi so would still need the phone call to distance himself from the crime scene. Surely the hit man would have to KNOW that Jeremy intended to call the police (otherwise there is no alibi). So why would he wait until they turned up? Just so he could dance at the window before miraculously escaping undetected? Had Jeremy not told him he was calling the police and as a result, the hit man ende up being caught - Jeremy would STILL be busted.

Someone lures Jeremy over to WHF in order to kill him too by telling him "Sheila has gone carzy, she's got the gun";

The reason this theory falls flat, is because the spoof caller couldn't know for sure if Jeremy would come to WHF or if he would call the police. Such a person would make themselves a sitting duck with a house full of bodies.

no a spoof caller couldent know for a fact he would but if the said caller intended to shoot jeremy as well there would be no other chance to shoot him and blame it on sheila.

and the spoof caller might think that he knows jeremy well enough to predict what hell do.

[Caroline]

no a spoof caller couldent know for a fact he would but if the said caller intended to shoot jeremy as well there would be no other chance to shoot him and blame it on sheila.

and the spoof caller might think that he knows jeremy well enough to predict what hell do.

Come on Nugs, I can't believe that you believe the above? IF such a person wanted to kill everyone, they would have chosen a time when they were all at the farm. It would FAR to risky to believe that Jeremy might not call the police and in any event - he did so where did the hit man go? 

[nugnug]

i dont belive or disblive im just considreing it as a posbility.

[Caroline]

i dont belive or disblive im just considreing it as a posbility.

And?

[Jane]

i dont belive or disblive im just considreing it as a posbility.

Hm, but a somewhat extreme and fanciful one, along the lines of the theory of Nevill's war time escapades coming back to haunt him.

A THOUGHT! What was said hit man hoping to gain from the deaths of 3 adults, 2 children and a potential if he could get him to play ball, and who was going to pay him?

[nugnug]

what was he hoping to gain well that would depend who he was.

[Jane]

what was he hoping to gain well that would depend who he was.

It sounds as if your consideration of it "being a possibility" is limited.

[sherlock]

Just so you know, I am SURE Jeremy did NOT hire a hit man and am quite certain he did the crime HIMSELF.

Caroline - i too would really love to be sure that Jeremy did not hire a hitman and if he did the crime himself then i would like to be sure of that fact.

So please help me.

Please explain your reasons in detail so that i and others on here can perhaps come closer to understanding the truth ...

[John]

As already pointed out, it doesn't really matter if Jeremy commissioned the crime and had someone else carry it out as he is guilty by association and the crime is one of joint enterprise.

Only Jeremy knew how to get into and out of the farmhouse without leaving any evidence of an incursion. Jeremy implicated his sister from the off and the crimescene was made to look like an inside job but it wasn't.  Jeremy could very well have passed that information onto a third party or even have let them in while he stood guard outside, only he knows the truth of what really happened.

As far as anyone else having prior knowledge of the crime is concerned you only have to look at the facts.

[Adam]

Everyone knows Bamber didn't hire a hit man.

He didn't mix in the sort of circles where he would find someone who would do the job. Who does ?

Bamber didn't have the finance to pay someone. A hit man would want a substantial payment in advance. The hit man was going to kill five people, two women and two children
 

If Bamber started asking people about where to find a hit man, this would be mentioned to the police by those people after the massacre.

Bamber had the motivation, knowledge and courage to carry out the massacre. He was confident enough to outside WHF with the police, a few minutes after the massacre.

The crime was committed mainly for inheritance. Why wluld Bamber pay out a slice of this to a hit man, if he could do it himself.

[sherlock]

Everyone knows Bamber didn't hire a hit man.

He didn't mix in the sort of circles where he would find someone who would do the job. Who does ?

Bamber didn't have the finance to pay someone. A hit man would want a substantial payment in advance. The hit man was going to kill five people, two women and two children
 

If Bamber started asking people about where to find a hit man, this would be mentioned to the police by those people after the massacre.

Bamber had the motivation, knowledge and courage to carry out the massacre. He was confident enough to outside WHF with the police, a few minutes after the massacre.

The crime was committed mainly for inheritance. Why wluld Bamber pay out a slice of this to a hit man, if he could do it himself.

With respect not everyone knows Bamber didn't hire a hit man - for example i don't know that and i am sure i am not the only one

No one knows ALL the circles Bamber mixed in - for example who did he mix with in Australia ?
We know he dealt drugs - but can you really say you or any one else knows who much about the characters that supplied him ? He definately had dealings with a fair amount of assorted criminals probably in more than one country - in short NO ONE knows who he knew ...

I agree 2,000 would not even cover a deposit on a hit - coincidence it is the same amount sent to him in Australia though ...

What if for example Brett was the hitman - he would not have needed an advance payment would he ? And if it was Brett he wouldn't tell the police afterwards would he ? And it would prevent Bamber from confessing all these years - possibly - and he maybe wouldn't mind sharing the windfall with Brett - after all they were obviously very close best friends and after the killings he was happy to spend lavishly with Brett ...

Why do you say he had the courage to do it ? what reasons do you have for that conclusion ?