Was there a hitman (or two) ?

[sherlock]

If you think the supposed sighting of a movement in the wondow is indicative of a hitman - you'll need to explain how this person got out without being seen.

Surely if Jeremy had hired the hitman/hitmen he would have told them how to enter and leave the property ?
Anything Jeremy knew or could do - he could explain to others how to do.
Does this explain it to you satisfactorily ?

[sherlock]

The reaso this theory falls flat, is because the spoof caller couldn't know for sure if Jeremy would come to WHF or if he would call the police. Such a person would make themselves a sitting duck with a house full of bodies.

As i stated above i think this is better discussed in a different thread.
I hope this thread can stick to the very narrow points raised in the original thread post.

[sherlock]

if he hired a hitman hes still guilty.

Absolutely.
But the problem then is we still have one or more other killers still free to kill others ...

[lookout]

The evidence is consistent with Jeremy being involved so there is no question of his guilt. He could very well have involved a third party to do the dirty deed but there is no evidence to support it.  That said however, there is every possibility that a third party knew of the plan ahead of time and could also have faced a conspiracy to murder charge.

That would have depended on how many heard Jeremy's phrase " I could kill my parents " !! Which needn't necessarily have been the one who'd said it who carried it out.

[sherlock]

i thought it could be a spoof caller as well but its hard to explian how they would of got away in time.

slightly off topic but there were reports of a hunched man leaving the area after Police arrived.
If true then they would not have left until after they realised Jeremy had turned up with the Police.
With the Police keeping a distance it would not have been difficult to slip away in the dark

[nugnug]

thats a very good point as the hunched figure doesnt seem to have been traced.

[sherlock]

That would have depended on how many heard Jeremy's phrase " I could kill my parents " !! Which needn't necessarily have been the one who'd said it who carried it out.

I think John is saying a third party had detailed pre knowledge of Jeremys plans.
Over hearing " I could kill my parents " is not what he is reffering to here.
He seems to have some very specific knowledge about a third party ...

[Caroline]

I think John is saying a third party had detailed pre knowledge of Jeremys plans.
Over hearing " I could kill my parents " is not what he is reffering to here.
He seems to have some very specific knowledge about a third party ...

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth!! John expressed an OPINION and he also expressed that he would like to keep that OPINION to himself. You SEEM to be jumping the gun!!

[nugnug]

Absolutely.
But the problem then is we still have one or more other killers still free to kill others ...

personaly i think the police came up with the hitman theory becouse at first they were trying to fit the evdence around the phonecall.

[Jane]

Surely if Jeremy had hired the hitman/hitmen he would have told them how to enter and leave the property ?
Anything Jeremy knew or could do - he could explain to others how to do.
Does this explain it to you satisfactorily ?

It certainly doesn't explain why said "hit man" hung around until the police got there OR how he was paid.

[nugnug]

well  if we follow sherlocks theory about it being a spoof call to lure jeremy over there he wouldent of known that jeremy was going to bring the police with him.

[Caroline]

Surely if Jeremy had hired the hitman/hitmen he would have told them how to enter and leave the property ?
Anything Jeremy knew or could do - he could explain to others how to do.
Does this explain it to you satisfactorily ?

No it doesn't - are you saying that someone (the hit man) was prepared to STILL be inside WHF when the police turned up and rely on advice from Jeremy on how to get out unseen by police waiting outside?? What kind of an idiot would you expect to agree to that? 

[sherlock]

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth!! John expressed an OPINION and he also expressed that he would like to keep that OPINION to himself. You SEEM to be jumping the gun!!

Hopefully John will enlighten us shortly.
He did say "there is every possibility that a third party knew of the plan ahead of time and could also have faced a conspiracy to murder charge."
He then said when asked who he meant "I'm afraid I can't say for legal reasons."
Sounds to me like he knows something ...

[Caroline]

A very interesting theory but i think this is better discussed in a different thread.
This thread i hope is purely to draw out from "guilters" why they are sure Jeremy did not hire a hitman.
So far no "guilters" are prepared to state they are sure of this.
So no "guilters" are prepared to say they are SURE Jeremy did the deed himself ?
They say they know from the evidence he is guilty of being responsible.
They do not however seem to be sure he did it himself.
Like i say i hope we can keep this thread to this narrow discussion

Just so you know, I am SURE Jeremy did NOT hire a hit man and am quite certain he did the crime HIMSELF.

[nugnug]

No it doesn't - are you saying that someone (the hit man) was prepared to STILL be inside WHF when the police turned up and rely on advice from Jeremy on how to get out unseen by police waiting outside?? What kind of an idiot would you expect to agree to that? 

they wouldent nescarly have known that the police were going to come.