Juries

[buddy]

Did Judge Drake tell the jury in his closing speech that it was beyond reasonable doubt ?

I believe he said it was either Jeremy, or Sheila.

[buddy]

Jeremy never helped himself by saying that is up to you to prove.
Too cocky IMO.

[Jan]

as one famous judge said its better to have a few innocent persons in jail than guilty people on the street. Whats the betting that he would have changed his mind if it was his own family involved .


I think what is being suggested is someone - perhaps better being not on the Jury, who could sit during deliberations and advise on legal points - as I bet a lot of jurors don't want to appear stupid and keep asking the judge.

however I am guessing that is things like  the forensic/ballistic/blood evidence that it is hard to understand - especially when a lot of that evidence is based on opinion - so help would not be available for that really.

[lookout]

I believe he said it was either Jeremy, or Sheila.

Okay,so if he'd said beyond reasonable doubt,he'd have then been within his rights by suggesting to the jury a guilty verdict.

[buddy]

So much for a jury then, when the judge influenced them.

[David1819]

So how many retrials -and at what cost- would be allowed in the case of several split verdicts and at what point is a potentially guilty person allowed to walk OR a potentially innocent person incarcerated.

In most cases after the second hung jury prosecutors  rarely go for a third trial. they tend to leave it

[buddy]

In most cases after the second hung jury prosecutors  rarely go for a third trial. they tend to leave it

Then who influenced them to carry on?

[Jane]

In most cases after the second hung jury prosecutors  rarely go for a third trial. they tend to leave it

Leaving the guilty to walk or the innocent to remain incarcerated.

[buddy]

NGB should have more knowledge than me on this.

[David1819]

Leaving the guilty to walk or the innocent to remain incarcerated.

No the defendant walks he is nor guilty or not guilty. Zion Jenkins had two split juries they never tried a third time round.

In America this one guy was accused of killing his wife the first Jury was 11 not guilty and 1 guilty the second Jury was 8 guilty and 4 not guilty. This was not that long ago I don't know if they decided to go for a third trial  I haven't heard anything about it since so I am guessing not

[Jane]

No the defendant walks he is nor guilty or not guilty. Zion Jenkins had two split juries they never tried a third time round.

In America this one guy was accused of killing his wife the first Jury was 11 not guilty and 1 guilty the second Jury was 8 guilty and 4 not guilty. This was not that long ago I don't know if they decided to go for a third trial  I haven't heard anything about it since so I am guessing not

I think you and I both know differently. Since WHEN has it been possible for anyone to go back in time and either A) Do something they hadn't previously done or B) Undo something previously done?

[David1819]

I think you and I both know differently. Since WHEN has it been possible for anyone to go back in time and either A) Do something they hadn't previously done or B) Undo something previously done?

you've lost me 

[Jane]

you've lost me 

"No, the defendant walks away. He is neither "guilty" nor "not guilty."

[notsure]

Would it really? If you have a 'professional juror' the other 11 will simply follow his/her lead, in which case they will be influenced by someone they feel knows more about the procedures. The only way that MIGHT work is if the whole of the jury were 'professional' - but that's a whole new can of worms.
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it might work if that professional juror was there to simply explain jargon and ensure they understood legal terms ect but didnt actually have a vote

[Caroline]

In most cases after the second hung jury prosecutors  rarely go for a third trial. they tend to leave it

in MOST cases? I think in MOST cases they accept a majority vote.