Questions about the bible :

[nugnug]

You must be joking! Write to him yourself and post your own letters. I have posted the relevant pieces when necessary. Talk about being nosey! 

why not put them up you can take your personal details off easly.

and as i said it would be much easiror to judge his falure to reply.

i have no real desire to talk him.

[Caroline]

why not put them up you can take your personal details off easly.

and as i said it would be much easiror to judge his falure to reply.

i have no real desire to talk him.

I surprised that you can't see anything wrong with your request - it won't be happening, like I said, write to him yourself. I'll give you a clue though - for the failure to reply, there was no letter hence it was 'a failure' to reply! 

[nugnug]

i certanly cant see anything wrong with that request seing ass your saying to people well youve never read the letters why not give them a chance to.

[sherlock]

I think the religion bit was used as a prop during certain times in Sheila's behaviour,particularly when she was being confronted or to get out of a situation. Whichever way you look at it,it was more a cry for help than the fact that she was,herself,religious.

There can be no doubt that Sheila had an interest in religion - at least at certain points of her life.
Dr Ferguson's statements alone make that crystal clear - beyond reasonable debate.
Therefore she would have read the Bible at least occasionally.
Therefore she MIGHT have known the significance of Psalm 51.
I would be surprised if Jeremy knew the significance of Psalm 51- but for all we know he MIGHT have done.
It is more likely that Sheila knew than Jeremy knew - but both are possible.

Almost the only fact i am certain of in this case is that whoever committed the murders beyond doubt knew the significance of Psalm 51 ...

According to the 2002 Appeal Court Judges what happened is this :

The Bible was open at Psalm 51 and had blood on the page ...

The Bible was then closed - they know this because on the facing page was an identical bloodstain - so it MUST have been closed to cause this identical stain on both pages ...

The Bible was then found open on a different page - if you go by the crime scene photos - because in the photos it is clear it was not open at Psalm 51 - there were too many pages on either side of the open section for it to have been left open at Psalm 51 ...

Make of it what you will but if Jeremy or a third party killer had left it open they would have surely left it open on Psalm 51 - after all Psalm 51 is highly relevant to the events of that night ...

Much more likely is that after committing murder Sheila turned to Psalm 51 - that is how the blood got on that particular page - she then either :

a) turned to another page of the Bible
b) closed the Bible and then dropped it - it then fell open at another page ...

The Bible evidence alone therefore points to it being MUCH more likely that Sheila did it ...

I am however obviously aware that there is a lot of other evidence than just the Bible to consider in this case ...

If you don't get 100% what i am saying about the Bible then with the greatest of respect you ARE missing the point - i am not wrong about this in any way shape or form ...

I am happy to answer any questions about this or to try and explain what i mean more clearly if you want - but don't make the mistake of thinking i am wrong about the Bible - because i am not ...

[David1819]

There can be no doubt that Sheila had an interest in religion - at least at certain points of her life.
Dr Ferguson's statements alone make that crystal clear - beyond reasonable debate.
Therefore she would have read the Bible at least occasionally.
Therefore she MIGHT have known the significance of Psalm 51.
I would be surprised if Jeremy knew the significance of Psalm 51- but for all we know he MIGHT have done.
It is more likely that Sheila knew than Jeremy knew - but both are possible.

Almost the only fact i am certain of in this case is that whoever committed the murders beyond doubt knew the significance of Psalm 51 ...

According to the 2002 Appeal Court Judges what happened is this :

The Bible was open at Psalm 51 and had blood on the page ...

The Bible was then closed - they know this because on the facing page was an identical bloodstain - so it MUST have been closed to cause this identical stain on both pages ...

The Bible was then found open on a different page - if you go by the crime scene photos - because in the photos it is clear it was not open at Psalm 51 - there were too many pages on either side of the open section for it to have been left open at Psalm 51 ...

Make of it what you will but if Jeremy or a third party killer had left it open they would have surely left it open on Psalm 51 - after all Psalm 51 is highly relevant to the events of that night ...

Much more likely is that after committing murder Sheila turned to Psalm 51 - that is how the blood got on that particular page - she then either :

a) turned to another page of the Bible
b) closed the Bible and then dropped it - it then fell open at another page ...

The Bible evidence alone therefore points to it being MUCH more likely that Sheila did it ...

I am however obviously aware that there is a lot of other evidence than just the Bible to consider in this case ...

If you don't get 100% what i am saying about the Bible then with the greatest of respect you ARE missing the point - i am not wrong about this in any way shape or form ...

I am happy to answer any questions about this or to try and explain what i mean more clearly if you want - but don't make the mistake of thinking i am wrong about the Bible - because i am not ...

Wow Sherlock I am impressed. You have clearly done allot of homework on the case now.

To be honest when I saw your name pop up I was expecting some lunacy like Your Sweeney Theory not a well thought out logical argument like this. Well done   

[sherlock]

We have both argued the case from both sides but even when I thought him innocent, there were things I wasn't comfortable with. I am not comfortable about the silencer now that I believe he's guilty but regardless of whether there is any forensic evidence - there is too much circumstantial evidence for him to be innocent and Jeremy isn't good at answering difficult questions - an innocent man wouldn't have a problem.

If the silencer was planted by David Boutflour - which i have reason to believe it was - then it is possible the relatives persuaded Julie that Jeremy did it - and persuaded themselves that he could not be allowed to get away with it - this could well explain Julies "confession" ...

As i have explained in previous posts it is perfectly possible Sheila may have had a shower after the murders ...

Without the silencer evidence and Julies "confession" and with the possibility of Sheila having had a shower to "wash away her sins" - what evidence of Jeremy's guilt would be left ?

Not a lot at all by my calculations ...

[Adam]

The bible was an obvious and easy plant by Bamber.

Saying Sheila went crazy because of an alleged supper conversation was incredibly weak. As confirmed by the judge. So Bamber tried to bulk up his frame with the bible, as confirmed by Bob Miller.

There is no evidence Sheila read the bible. If she did, she would have her own. She certainly wouldn't take June's, who she had just killed.  The bible frowns upon murder suicide. So she got any ideas from more extreme religious books, which would be next to her instead. 

My recent thread shows Sheila's murder / suicide had to be pre planned. So she would have done her reading beforehand.

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

[sherlock]

The bible was an obvious and easy plant by Bamber.

Saying Sheila went crazy because of an alleged supper conversation was incredibly weak. As confirmed by the judge. So Bamber tried to bulk up his frame with the bible, as confirmed by Bob Miller.

There is no evidence Sheila read the bible. If she did, she would have her own. She certainly wouldn't take June's, who she had just killed.  The bible frowns upon murder suicide. So she got any ideas from more extreme religious books, which would be next to her instead. 

My recent thread shows Sheila's murder / suicide had to be pre planned. So she would have done her reading beforehand.

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

What on earth are you basing this on - please explain ...

As you admit you know next to nothing about the Bible or religion ...

[Adam]

If the silencer was planted by David Boutflour - which i have reason to believe it was - then it is possible the relatives persuaded Julie that Jeremy did it - and persuaded themselves that he could not be allowed to get away with it - this could well explain Julies "confession" ...

As i have explained in previous posts it is perfectly possible Sheila may have had a shower after the murders ...

Without the silencer evidence and Julies "confession" and with the possibility of Sheila having had a shower to "wash away her sins" - what evidence of Jeremy's guilt would be left ?

Not a lot at all by my calculations ...

There is a mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence against Bamber. Probably more than in 99% of other cases.

There is one alive suspect who had several motives and knew there was something wrong at the farm.

It is impossible to explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Unless you wish to attempt to prove me wrong.

It's easy to say how Bamber did it. To match the crime scene. I know, my post is on the forum
 

[sherlock]

The bible was an obvious and easy plant by Bamber.

Saying Sheila went crazy because of an alleged supper conversation was incredibly weak. As confirmed by the judge. So Bamber tried to bulk up his frame with the bible, as confirmed by Bob Miller.

There is no evidence Sheila read the bible. If she did, she would have her own. She certainly wouldn't take June's, who she had just killed.  The bible frowns upon murder suicide. So she got any ideas from more extreme religious books, which would be next to her instead. 

My recent thread shows Sheila's murder / suicide had to be pre planned. So she would have done her reading beforehand.

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

I have NEVER said or believed that ...

If Sheila did it it because of 2 reasons :

a) Her mental health problems

b) the side effects of the medication she was on - i have researched the side effects of these types of medications and this type of out of character murderous behaviour is a known possible side effect - research it yourself BEFORE replying negatively please ...

[David1819]

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

Like Sheila's fingerprints found on the bible? 



I am sure this already has a place in your "forensic library" 

[sherlock]

The bible was an obvious and easy plant by Bamber.

Saying Sheila went crazy because of an alleged supper conversation was incredibly weak. As confirmed by the judge. So Bamber tried to bulk up his frame with the bible, as confirmed by Bob Miller.

There is no evidence Sheila read the bible. If she did, she would have her own. She certainly wouldn't take June's, who she had just killed.  The bible frowns upon murder suicide. So she got any ideas from more extreme religious books, which would be next to her instead. 

My recent thread shows Sheila's murder / suicide had to be pre planned. So she would have done her reading beforehand.

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

You admit yourself to knowing NOTHING about the Bible - and with respect your point here is not only wrong it is logically so far out as to be humorous - you are VERY wrong in what you say here ...

[Caroline]

Like Sheila's fingerprints found on the bible? 



I am sure this already has a place in your "forensic library" 

Where does it state that it was Sheila's? Could have been June's!

[sherlock]

The bible was an obvious and easy plant by Bamber.

Saying Sheila went crazy because of an alleged supper conversation was incredibly weak. As confirmed by the judge. So Bamber tried to bulk up his frame with the bible, as confirmed by Bob Miller.

There is no evidence Sheila read the bible. If she did, she would have her own. She certainly wouldn't take June's, who she had just killed.  The bible frowns upon murder suicide. So she got any ideas from more extreme religious books, which would be next to her instead. 

My recent thread shows Sheila's murder / suicide had to be pre planned. So she would have done her reading beforehand.

Forensically, the bible provides a mountain of incriminating evidence against Bamber. Which has been posted on this thread.

What forensic evidence ? Your logic is on a par with your knowledge of the Bible and religion ie zero points on both counts ...

[Adam]

I have NEVER said or believed that ...

If Sheila did it it because of 2 reasons :

a) Her mental health problems

b) the side effects of the medication she was on - i have researched the side effects of these types of medications and this type of out of character murderous behaviour is a known possible side effect - research it yourself BEFORE replying negatively please ...

Do you believe Sheila pre planned the massacre ?

Or she suddenly woke up, got up, woke up Neville, went into a rage which Neville amazingly couldn't stop. So he errr rang Bamber !