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[Caroline]

True enough lookout and it does depend on the degree of her injury.  Imo, I don't believe she would have been able to do more than stagger, surely she would have been in a state of extreme shock? While she wouldn't have felt any pain I would guess her body would have reacted by shutting down all but vital organs and directing blood flow to the Heart, liver, kidneys etc.. Her blood pressure must have plummeted which means trying to stand up and walk would have caused her to lose consciousness.
   Also the blood flow doesn't indicate she was ever standing after she was wounded.

Maggie, he said that because he was told that she had committed suicide. He didn't get to look at the scene and had to go on what he was told and make sense of what he was left with.

[maggie]

Maggie, he said that because he was told that she had committed suicide. He didn't get to look at the scene and had to go on what he was told and make sense of what he was left with.

Yes, I am just thinking through how it possibly was for Sheila.

It's only my opinion based on the way I would expect the body to react in such circumstances but Vanezis would have had the information  on the severity of the first shot, how badly her vertebrae were damaged for example. 

I had a friend who walked around for a few days with 3 broken vertebrae in her lumbar region. In the end her leg turned navy blue and the doctors finally listened to her. 
She was a student nurse, back then if you were breathing and could stand up you were fit for work.
She was in great pain but was functioning, however she hadn't been shot in the throat so her body was far less traumatised, her condition wasn't at that time life threatening as Sheila's obviously was.

All I'm trying to say is that depending on the severity of her spinal injury Sheila may have been able to stand up and stagger but the trauma to her body by being shot would probably have caused her to lose consciousness again quite quickly in any case.
Just my thoughts on this.

[Jane]

Yes, I am just thinking through how it possibly was for Sheila.

It's only my opinion based on the way I would expect the body to react in such circumstances but Vanezis would have had the information  on the severity of the first shot, how badly her vertebrae were damaged for example. 

I had a friend who walked around for a few days with 3 broken vertebrae in her lumbar region. In the end her leg turned navy blue and the doctors finally listened to her. 
She was a student nurse, back then if you were breathing and could stand up you were fit for work.
She was in great pain but was functioning, however she hadn't been shot in the throat so her body was far less traumatised, her condition wasn't at that time life threatening as Sheila's obviously was.

All I'm trying to say is that depending on the severity of her spinal injury Sheila may have been able to stand up and stagger but the trauma to her body by being shot would probably have caused her to lose consciousness again quite quickly in any case.
Just my thoughts on this.

Vanezis sounded very emphatic when he told CAL that his revised opinion was that after the first shot "she never moved."

[maggie]

Vanezis sounded very emphatic when he told CAL that his revised opinion was that after the first shot "she never moved."

I know that is what he said Jane and I am not disputing that, however I was pointing out there are degrees of injury and how the body reacts, I find it interesting but I accept others may not.

[Jane]

I know that is what he said Jane and I am not disputing that, however I was pointing out there are degrees of injury and how the body reacts, I find it interesting but I accept others may not.

You right about degrees of...............Maggie. It's all about a scale of 1- 10 but one person's interpretation of where it falls on that scale, isn't guaranteed to be the same as another's.

[notsure]

Well Vanezis or whatever his name is ought to make his bloomin mind up as far as i am concerned. It annoys the hell out of me how many people change there stories in this case.

[maggie]

You right about degrees of...............Maggie. It's all about a scale of 1- 10 but one person's interpretation of where it falls on that scale, isn't guaranteed to be the same as another's.

I would think we need to take Vanezis word for it as he is the one who knew the effects of both gunshot wounds.

[Jane]

Well Vanezis or whatever his name is ought to make his bloomin mind up as far as i am concerned. It annoys the hell out of me how many people change there stories in this case.

So I guess you'd hate it if:-

A) The police et al admitted they'd screwed Jeremy over

B) Jeremy confessed to having done it.

[lookout]

Well Vanezis or whatever his name is ought to make his bloomin mind up as far as i am concerned. It annoys the hell out of me how many people change there stories in this case.

Professionals too !!

[Jane]

Professionals too !!

Human as opposed to robots.

[lookout]

Human as opposed to robots.

This was rather a LARGE change of mind for someone who was used to dealing with such crimes don't you think ?

[Jane]

This was rather a LARGE change of mind for someone who was used to dealing with such crimes don't you think ?

Superficially, it may seem so, but as we have no idea what he was privy to at the time, NOR what he's learned since through other cases we're not really in a position to judge. However, it occurs to me that you mightn't be as quick to judge him had what he said to CAL provided conclusive proof that Sheila was the culprit. I suspect that under THOSE conditions his "rather a LARGE change of mind" probably would have been overlooked to the point of not even being mentioned.

[lookout]

Superficially, it may seem so, but as we have no idea what he was privy to at the time, NOR what he's learned since through other cases we're not really in a position to judge. However, it occurs to me that you mightn't be as quick to judge him had what he said to CAL provided conclusive proof that Sheila was the culprit. I suspect that under THOSE conditions his "rather a LARGE change of mind" probably would have been overlooked to the point of not even being mentioned.

This was a massive murder case where there was no room for errors,no matter what as a man's life was in the balance. There was a twelve month " gap " in order to get things right,but because we're here discussing the case,it would have seemed that there were quite a few errors,even after a lengthy gap.  It was never a fair trial in any sense of the word.

[notsure]

Superficially, it may seem so, but as we have no idea what he was privy to at the time, NOR what he's learned since through other cases we're not really in a position to judge. However, it occurs to me that you mightn't be as quick to judge him had what he said to CAL provided conclusive proof that Sheila was the culprit. I suspect that under THOSE conditions his "rather a LARGE change of mind" probably would have been overlooked to the point of not even being mentioned.

I haven't read CALS book, but I do not understand why he decided to change what he originally thought. First we have to accept his findings then we dont, then we do again. its all very iffy.

[Jane]

I haven't read CALS book, but I do not understand why he decided to change what he originally thought. First we have to accept his findings then we dont, then we do again. its all very iffy.

WHY? Is it "iffy" when you change YOUR mind? You may have had a long held belief, then something occurs to make you see the whole thing in a different light. There's no law that says one isn't allowed to do this. Doing so doesn't make one's reasons questionable.