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« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2016, 02:38:AM »
  He knew he had shot Sheila twice - does anyone ever think about that? How impossible all your theories are?

Yes, Alias. We know that YOU this that is makes it impossible, but a lot of people certainly disagree wth you. We're not wrong because we disagree with you no matter how many times you go over the same point.

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« Reply #151 on: January 10, 2016, 02:46:AM »
Just seems to defy reason to me, skip your hateful tone.

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« Reply #152 on: January 10, 2016, 03:31:AM »
  He knew he had shot Sheila twice - does anyone ever think about that? How impossible all your theories are?

Being as you mention it every time, how can one forget? However, as we keep repeating, after shooting her twice, he had no chice but to go ahead. What else could he do, call the cops and admit to it?
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« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2016, 03:38:AM »
Being as you mention it every time, how can one forget? However, as we keep repeating, after shooting her twice, he had no chice but to go ahead. What else could he do, call the cops and admit to it?

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« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2016, 03:48:AM »
Being as you mention it every time, how can one forget? However, as we keep repeating, after shooting her twice, he had no chice but to go ahead. What else could he do, call the cops and admit to it?

It is an impossible scenario to me. Have to pass.

As you point out I keep repeating myself, but that is the logic I see in this: WHAT person is so stupid to shoot a victim twice, then claim it was suicide? Why does no one but me see the absurdity in this?

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« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2016, 03:55:AM »
It is an impossible scenario to me. Have to pass.

As you point out I keep repeating myself, but that is the logic I see in this: WHAT person is so stupid to shoot a victim twice, then claim it was suicide? Why does no one but me see the absurdity in this?

But HE didn't claim it was suicide - he simply said his father called and said "Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the gun". I think the absurdity, it to believe that Sheila was capable of anything after the first shot. We differ on the same point but for different and opposite reasons. 
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« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2016, 04:05:AM »
on 15th Aug why were they worried about prints if they thought it was murder suicide?

I think by then, they were considering other options.
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« Reply #157 on: January 10, 2016, 09:37:AM »
But HE didn't claim it was suicide - he simply said his father called and said "Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the gun". I think the absurdity, it to believe that Sheila was capable of anything after the first shot. We differ on the same point but for different and opposite reasons.

of course he claimed it was suicide - he staged the scene as suicide - that's exactly what he did .

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« Reply #158 on: January 10, 2016, 09:48:AM »
of course he claimed it was suicide - he staged the scene as suicide - that's exactly what he did .


I don't believe he did. There was no need. He'd given the police enough information for them to reach that conclusion and they informed him that it was suicide. He was hardly going to tell them that he'd staged it, was he?

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« Reply #159 on: January 10, 2016, 09:50:AM »
Just seems to defy reason to me, skip your hateful tone.

There is a recent poll on the two shots.

Everyone agreed Bamber had no choice but to fire the second shot. After the first shot did not kill Sheila.
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« Reply #160 on: January 10, 2016, 10:23:AM »
It is an impossible scenario to me. Have to pass.

As you point out I keep repeating myself, but that is the logic I see in this: WHAT person is so stupid to shoot a victim twice, then claim it was suicide? Why does no one but me see the absurdity in this?


It's easy enough to pop in occasionally and say what you have said repeatedly when you were here regularly, that being your belief that we're wrong in our thinking. It seems like the harder part is to offer something -ANYTHING?- by way of alternative.

We have discussed this on many occasions -with and without your company- and you may be interested to know that, like you, none of us believe that he PLANNED to shoot her twice and have it look like suicide, however, we can no more stay there than could Jeremy when his first shot failed to kill her. I think it WOULD have thrown him, but not for a moment do I think he made himself a cup of tea whilst he worked out his next move.

He had options, albeit limited. He could have left her to bleed to death, which she undoubtedly would have done, but I don't believe sadism had any part in this. He COULD have re-staged the whole thing to look like a burglary gone wrong........................BUT what would a burglar have considered SO worth having that it was worth slaughtering a whole family -not to mention two SLEEPING children- to get their hands on? Then there's the problem of what he CAN take which is valuable enough to be worth killing for, small enough to be transportable, perhaps on a bike and where will he hide it when he gets it home? He doesn't HAVE all the time in the world to think about what his next move is -in fact, he probably only had seconds- but given that it wasn't how he planned it to happen, he has no other alternative than to make the best of a bad job. THAT was to shoot her again and rely on an alleged call from his father to his home in Goldhanger at silly o'clock to put enough distance between him and WHF.


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« Reply #161 on: January 10, 2016, 11:32:AM »

It's easy enough to pop in occasionally and say what you have said repeatedly when you were here regularly, that being your belief that we're wrong in our thinking. It seems like the harder part is to offer something -ANYTHING?- by way of alternative.

We have discussed this on many occasions -with and without your company- and you may be interested to know that, like you, none of us believe that he PLANNED to shoot her twice and have it look like suicide, however, we can no more stay there than could Jeremy when his first shot failed to kill her. I think it WOULD have thrown him, but not for a moment do I think he made himself a cup of tea whilst he worked out his next move.

He had options, albeit limited. He could have left her to bleed to death, which she undoubtedly would have done, but I don't believe sadism had any part in this. He COULD have re-staged the whole thing to look like a burglary gone wrong........................BUT what would a burglar have considered SO worth having that it was worth slaughtering a whole family -not to mention two SLEEPING children- to get their hands on? Then there's the problem of what he CAN take which is valuable enough to be worth killing for, small enough to be transportable, perhaps on a bike and where will he hide it when he gets it home? He doesn't HAVE all the time in the world to think about what his next move is -in fact, he probably only had seconds- but given that it wasn't how he planned it to happen, he has no other alternative than to make the best of a bad job. THAT was to shoot her again and rely on an alleged call from his father to his home in Goldhanger at silly o'clock to put enough distance between him and WHF.

You were very negative on my excellent poll on this. Suggesting I was taking drugs, saying it was a 'f--king rubbish poll, and calling me names. Perhaps you were having another bad day.

It is probably best to just direct Alias to this poll,  which has both supporters and guilters saying Bamber had to fire the second shot. It saves time.

Alias will resurface every few months and just say the exact same thing.
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Re: New Technology
« Reply #162 on: January 10, 2016, 11:34:AM »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #163 on: January 10, 2016, 01:15:PM »

It's easy enough to pop in occasionally and say what you have said repeatedly when you were here regularly, that being your belief that we're wrong in our thinking. It seems like the harder part is to offer something -ANYTHING?- by way of alternative.

We have discussed this on many occasions -with and without your company- and you may be interested to know that, like you, none of us believe that he PLANNED to shoot her twice and have it look like suicide, however, we can no more stay there than could Jeremy when his first shot failed to kill her. I think it WOULD have thrown him, but not for a moment do I think he made himself a cup of tea whilst he worked out his next move.

He had options, albeit limited. He could have left her to bleed to death, which she undoubtedly would have done, but I don't believe sadism had any part in this. He COULD have re-staged the whole thing to look like a burglary gone wrong........................BUT what would a burglar have considered SO worth having that it was worth slaughtering a whole family -not to mention two SLEEPING children- to get their hands on? Then there's the problem of what he CAN take which is valuable enough to be worth killing for, small enough to be transportable, perhaps on a bike and where will he hide it when he gets it home? He doesn't HAVE all the time in the world to think about what his next move is -in fact, he probably only had seconds- but given that it wasn't how he planned it to happen, he has no other alternative than to make the best of a bad job. THAT was to shoot her again and rely on an alleged call from his father to his home in Goldhanger at silly o'clock to put enough distance between him and WHF.

It's worth noting that Vanezis says suicides with multiple shots, whilst unusual, do occur.

I don't follow the argument that somebody wouldn't have staged her suicide with two shots, clearly it wasn't the intention, but what else could the murderer have done when the first shot didn't work? It also seems a little coincidental that there were only two bullets remaining.

Maybe there was only one bullet left and the killer had to go and fetch another one, stashing the silencer in the gun cupboard whilst he was at it.  :-\


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« Reply #164 on: January 10, 2016, 01:20:PM »
It's worth noting that Vanezis says suicides with multiple shots, whilst unusual, do occur.

I don't follow the argument that somebody wouldn't have staged her suicide with two shots, clearly it wasn't the intention, but what else could the murderer have done when the first shot didn't work? It also seems a little coincidental that there were only two bullets remaining.

Maybe there was only one bullet left and the killer had to go and fetch another one, stashing the silencer in the gun cupboard whilst he was at it.  :-\



I totally agree, what other choice would they have? They had killed 4 people and wounded a fifth, too late for a change of mind.
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