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[Stephanie]

I also think it's possible, however, he was heard leaving the farm in his car by the Foukes so how would that tie in with him staying the night?  Even if he took his car home and then brought in the last trailer how would he explain where his car was, or maybe he took a chance no one would notice?

This could be a fallacy - It could have been another night Doris Foakes was referring to or she may not have heard his car at all - again recalling another night but saying it was the night of the murders. These things do happen.

http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm

[Caroline]

I also think it's possible, however, he was heard leaving the farm in his car by the Foukes so how would that tie in with him staying the night?  Even if he took his car home and then brought in the last trailer how would he explain where his car was, or maybe he took a chance no one would notice?

Jeremy 'could' have forced an argument over bringing back the last trailer, he could have stormed out (remember Nevill was in a bad mood when BW called - as though he'd had an argument). We know he told Len Foakes that Nevill would be sorting out the final load just before driving off (Doris Foakes hears his car leave). He could have dropped off his car, called Julie before making his way back to WHF. Whether he brought the last trailer back or Nevill did, he could have come back saying he felt guilty and wanted to help. It being late - he decides to stay the night.

[Stephanie]

Jeremy 'could' have forced an argument over bringing back the last trailer, he could have stormed out (remember Nevill was in a bad mood when BW called - as though he'd had an argument). We know he told Len Foakes that Nevill would be sorting out the final load just before driving off (Doris Foakes hears his car leave). He could have dropped off his car, called Julie before making his way back to WHF. Whether he brought the last trailer back or Nevill did, he could have come back saying he felt guilty and wanted to help. It being late - he decides to stay the night.

 

[maggie]

This could be a fallacy - It could have been another night Doris Foakes was referring to or she may not have heard his car at all - again recalling another night but saying it was the night of the murders. These things do happen.

http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm

That's true Steph and we often believe we have heard what we expect to hear, so it can't be taken as gospel.

[maggie]

Jeremy 'could' have forced an argument over bringing back the last trailer, he could have stormed out (remember Nevill was in a bad mood when BW called - as though he'd had an argument). We know he told Len Foakes that Nevill would be sorting out the final load just before driving off (Doris Foakes hears his car leave). He could have dropped off his car, called Julie before making his way back to WHF. Whether he brought the last trailer back or Nevill did, he could have come back saying he felt guilty and wanted to help. It being late - he decides to stay the night.

It is a possibility, I don't find that explanation as far fetched as Jeremy toiling along rough and muddy pathways in the dark before crawling through a window not having any real idea who was were or what was going on or not and risking waking the whole house up if the dog decided to bark it's head off.  Killing everyone then without a care in the world riding or walking or staggering back over the rough ground in the pitch black before turning up back at WHF at 3.45 as cool as a cucumber.   Apart from anything after harvesting all day and running around all night in the dark, committing 5 horrendous murders by the time he turned up to meet the police at the farm, he must have been absolutely knackered.

[Caroline]

It is a possibility, I don't find that explanation as far fetched as Jeremy toiling along rough and muddy pathways in the dark before crawling through a window not having any real idea who was were or what was going on or not and maybe waking the whole house up if the dog decided to bark it's head off.

Already being in the house is a massive advantage.

[susan]

I also think it's possible, however, he was heard leaving the farm in his car by the Foukes so how would that tie in with him staying the night?  Even if he took his car home and then brought in the last trailer how would he explain where his car was, or maybe he took a chance no one would notice?

Maggie whilst I have not dismissed the idea of JB staying over at WHF is it feasible when he lived so close.  I just don't know

[maggie]

Already being in the house is a massive advantage.

it changes the whole scenario to me and make the almost impossible much more feasible.

[susan]

It is a possibility, I don't find that explanation as far fetched as Jeremy toiling along rough and muddy pathways in the dark before crawling through a window not having any real idea who was were or what was going on or not and risking waking the whole house up if the dog decided to bark it's head off.  Killing everyone then without a care in the world riding or walking or staggering back over the rough ground in the pitch black before turning up back at WHF at 3.45 as cool as a cucumber.   Apart from anything after harvesting all day he must have been absolutely knackered.

Maggie.  Would Ralph not think it strange Jeremy was staying over unless he was in the habit of doing so  nah not sitting well with me but I agree it would give him a tremendous advantage to murder his family already being in the house but why record the programmes why not just watch them.

[maggie]

Maggie whilst I have not dismissed the idea of JB staying over at WHF is it feasible when he lived so close.  I just don't know

I don't know if it's feasible or not Susie, it may be something which happened at harvest time and usually Sheila wasn't there so he would stay in her room but obviously this time there was no spare room so he might have sat in the lounge and watched his programmes waiting for the house to settle down for the night before creeping upstairs and the rest is history.  

[maggie]

Maggie.  Would Ralph not think it strange Jeremy was staying over unless he was in the habit of doing so  nah not sitting well with me but I agree it would give him a tremendous advantage to murder his family already being in the house but why record the programmes why not just watch them.

Our posts crossed suse, just said it may have been his habit at harvest time to stay over as it would be an early start, am sure June cooked a big breakfast and they all got going by 6am or maybe earlier? 

[Stephanie]

It is a possibility, I don't find that explanation as far fetched as Jeremy toiling along rough and muddy pathways in the dark before crawling through a window not having any real idea who was were or what was going on or not and risking waking the whole house up if the dog decided to bark it's head off.  Killing everyone then without a care in the world riding or walking or staggering back over the rough ground in the pitch black before turning up back at WHF at 3.45 as cool as a cucumber.   Apart from anything after harvesting all day he must have been absolutely knackered.

Physically knackered maybe but not necessarily mentally knackered - psychopaths don't need much sleep etc...

[Caroline]

Our posts crossed suse, just said it may have been his habit at harvest time to stay over as it would be an early start, am sure June cooked a big breakfast and they all got going by 6am or maybe earlier?

Given that he was their son, why would it be odd for him to stay over? I used to stay at my mum and dads quite a lot when my dad was alive - I didn't even need to ask permission! 

[maggie]

Physically knackered maybe but not necessarily mentally knackered - psychopaths don't need much sleep etc...

I know but was thinking of all that rushing about with the adrenaline running and am feeling quite knackered myself Steph.   I know it's not funny but it would be easy to see it as a farce if it weren't so tragic and that is one reason it doesn't ring true to me.

[maggie]

Given that he was their son, why would it be odd for him to stay over? I used to stay at my mum and dads quite a lot when my dad was alive - I didn't even need to ask permission! 

I agree it was his family home although he had no designated bedroom anymore I would imagine he would always be welcome.