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[guest154]

Psychopaths are risk takers so if |Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath he would probably have enjoyed climbing through the window but it would have been foolish even for a psycho not to protect themselves just in case. 

Protect himself from what though? He broke into the house in the middle of the night, I'm sure he hid his weapon close by. If he was heard climbing through the window, all he had to do was speak and he could come up with any excuse for why he is there. It's not like his parents could have phone the police from their bedroom, the phone had been removed. All he had to do is get insdie and get to wherever he put the weapon - then sadly those inside were at his mercy.

Do as you would be done by my friend.Not nice is it ?

When I need a lecture on decency when it comes to the victims in this case, it certainly will not be from you, Lookout.

[lookout]

Protect himself from what though? He broke into the house in the middle of the night, I'm sure he hid his weapon close by. If he was heard climbing through the window, all he had to do was speak and he could come up with any excuse for why he is there. It's not like his parents could have phone the police from their bedroom, the phone had been removed. All he had to do is get insdie and get to wherever he put the weapon - then sadly those inside were at his mercy.

When I need a lecture on decency when it comes to the victims in this case, it certainly will not be from you, Lookout.

Double standards aren't nice either are they ? They make you wriggle out of things !!

[guest154]

Double standards aren't nice either are they ? They make you wriggle out of things !!

No you're just trying to twist what I said to cause a scene. Jeremy did need luck on his side that night. It doesn't matter what you say, you might not agree with it. But who cares?

I think/hope no one here (other than yourself) would think that I've been anything but respectful to the victims of the crimes with my posts.

You have posted disgusting things about June in the past, Lookout. Don't lecture me on decency when you rarely display ANY yourself.

[Jane]

Protect himself from what though? He broke into the house in the middle of the night, I'm sure he hid his weapon close by. If he was heard climbing through the window, all he had to do was speak and he could come up with any excuse for why he is there. It's not like his parents could have phone the police from their bedroom, the phone had been removed. All he had to do is get insdie and get to wherever he put the weapon - then sadly those inside were at his mercy.

When I need a lecture on decency when it comes to the victims in this case, it certainly will not be from you, Lookout.

He actually boasted about other occasions on which he'd been able to get in though the window. Nobody heard him then and presumably the dogs didn't alert the family by barking. Why would this occasion have been any different?

[maggie]

Protect himself from what though? He broke into the house in the middle of the night, I'm sure he hid his weapon close by. If he was heard climbing through the window, all he had to do was speak and he could come up with any excuse for why he is there. It's not like his parents could have phone the police from their bedroom, the phone had been removed. All he had to do is get insdie and get to wherever he put the weapon - then sadly those inside were at his mercy.

That is why I said I feel he would have hidden the rifle outside the farmhouse and entered with the loaded rifle to hand just in case he was caught out entering through the window. Once having made the decision to carry out the crime he would not have wanted to have to make up some tale about why he was climbing through the window in  the middle of the night and jettison the plan, he would have wanted to carry out the crime as quickly as possible, attack being the best form of defence in this situation.   

[guest154]

That is why I said I feel he would have hidden the rifle outside the farmhouse and entered with the loaded rifle to hand just in case he was caught out entering through the window. Once having made the decision to carry out the crime he would not have wanted to have to make up some tale about why he was climbing through the window in  the middle of the night and jettison the plan, he would have wanted to carry out the crime as quickly as possible, attack being the best form of defence in this situation.   

Hiding the weapon outside the farm isn't a terrible idea. 

[lookout]

Getting through the window with it could have been trickier.

[maggie]

He actually boasted about other occasions on which he'd been able to get in though the window. Nobody heard him then and presumably the dogs didn't alert the family by barking. Why would this occasion have been any different?

If I remember rightly he and other younger members of the family apparently used the windows as access when no one was at home and the doors were locked.  It is a little different, I think to enter the house at 2 or 3am in the morning having travelled by bike or by foot and maybe dressed in an unusual manner, although I would question he wore a wet suit, .....would take a bit of explaining imo.

[maggie]

Getting through the window with it could have been trickier.

True.  Whatever happened that night I find the idea of JB travelling across pitch black uneven ground after midnight and climbing into the unlit farmhouse a bit far fetched but that is what the police believed so possibly it was true.  I still wonder about the dogs barking, a dog in an outbuilding on a farm is usually a watchdog expected to bark at unexpected sounds.  I understand the dog knew JB but would it not have barked hearing his footsteps at such an unexpected time?  Don't know enough about dogs to answer that question myself.
We are told on good authority his car  remained outside his house all night therefore he didn't drive but I still wonder.

[guest2181]

True.  Whatever happened that night I find the idea of JB travelling across pitch black uneven ground after midnight and climbing into the unlit farmhouse a bit far fetched but that is what the police believed so possibly it was true.  I still wonder about the dogs barking, a dog in an outbuilding on a farm is usually a watchdog expected to bark at unexpected sounds.  I understand the dog knew JB but would it not have barked hearing his footsteps at such an unexpected time?  Don't know enough about dogs to answer that question myself.
We are told on good authority his car  remained outside his house all night therefore he didn't drive but I still wonder.

Maybe (like Caroline suggested) he returned his car home, then went by foot to the 'last trailer', delivering it to WHF and only leaving after the murders.

Of course it's also notable that all members of the house hold were in bed, perhaps JB was kipping on the sofa for the night.

[lebaleb]

Maybe (like Caroline suggested) he returned his car home, then went by foot to the 'last trailer', delivering it to WHF and only leaving after the murders.

Of course it's also notable that all members of the house hold were in bed, perhaps JB was kipping on the sofa for the night.

We don't know if Neville or Sheila were in bed.

[guest2181]

We don't know if Neville or Sheila were in bed.

Well yes, to be pedantic, but they were at least ready for bed. My suggestion was that JB may have opted to stay the night at WHF.

[maggie]

Maybe (like Caroline suggested) he returned his car home, then went by foot to the 'last trailer', delivering it to WHF and only leaving after the murders.

Of course it's also notable that all members of the house hold were in bed, perhaps JB was kipping on the sofa for the night.

Hi Hartley, good thought it is a possibility that he may have stayed the night there.  We don't know what his habits were during harvesting, for all we know he may have been in the habit of staying over during the late nights and early mornings.
I also wonder about the video player he was pretty quick to remove it and take it away from WHF, he said it was his so why was it there?.....  just a thought.

[Jan]

Do we believe the family that Neville would always put the guns away at night ?

I can understand the ammunition not being put away - but would he put all the guns away ? There was no lock on the door so would it be  that necessary?

I am not sure if they asked jean or Barbara if that was the case?

I agree there is a chance Jeremy could have left the gun outside somewhere to collect on the way in. He could have had a duplicate key - and then put the original key in the door and left through the window. Although I don't think the window would lock from the outside and I am not sure physically he could get through the window he was alleged to have used on the night.


But back to the thread - IF DNA testing of the cases is possible it COULD provide some answer .Because of the 5 bullets he allegedly did not handle . Unless he used gloves.

[guest2181]

But back to the thread - IF DNA testing of the cases is possible it COULD provide some answer .Because of the 5 bullets he allegedly did not handle . Unless he used gloves.

I'm not really sure how that could help.

If JB's DNA was found on the bullets, then he could say he had handled when they were purchased, or at some point since then.

If his DNA wasn't found, then as you say he could have worn gloves.

Or maybe the bullets were just tipped out and not touched at all, therefore no DNA traceable.

In any event, do they even still exist?