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[Caroline]

I know that's why it does not get absorbed .

I don't think anyone has explained the missing bullets - its not a matter of Jeremys  story not adding up . It would appear that whoever the killer was  there were 5 bullets used that were not from the box of 50 - so they must have come from somewhere else . The fact is we don't know that Neville did not put the gun away and the killer took some ammunition from the cupboard when they got the gun . But what I am trying to say is in would help if the casings were DNA tested .

Jeremy after all never said the 25 bullets came from the box in the kitchen did he?

He just explained what he did before he left the farm.

How could he say that? If he admitted to knowing that, it would make him guilty.

[Jan]

How could he say that? If he admitted to knowing that, it would make him guilty.

Yes I know that - I am not stupid   what I am is replying to is the comments  that the 5 bullets that are missing make his story not add up -  I am not aware how that is the case

[Caroline]

Yes I know that - I am not stupid   what I am is replying to is the comments  that the 5 bullets that are missing make his story not add up -  I am not aware how that is the case

I didn't say you were stupid, I am answering your comment. The fact that it doesn't add up is that Jeremy clearly made a mistake when he used bullets from another box to initially load the rifle, then a new box to refill it. That's the only way it could have happened.

[guest2181]

I know that's why it does not get absorbed .

I don't think anyone has explained the missing bullets - its not a matter of Jeremys  story not adding up . It would appear that whoever the killer was  there were 5 bullets used that were not from the box of 50 - so they must have come from somewhere else . The fact is we don't know that Neville did not put the gun away and the killer took some ammunition from the cupboard when they got the gun . But what I am trying to say is in would help if the casings were DNA tested .

Jeremy after all never said the 25 bullets came from the box in the kitchen did he?

He just explained what he did before he left the farm.

It seems pretty clear to me, that in a 'Jeremy is guilty' scenario, Jeremy accessed the gun cupboard.

It would be likely that he retrieved the rifle, moderator and ammunition from the gun cupboard, before later returning the moderator.

The ammunition on the counter could have been placed there after everybody was murdered, hence the blood on the counter near the bullets.

Therefore the bullets on the counter and the bullets used don't need to add up to a whole box.

It's often been suggested that Jeremy chased Neville downstairs to the kitchen, I wonder if we've got it back to front and it was Neville chasing after JB when he had run out of bullets?

[Caroline]

It seems pretty clear to me, that in a 'Jeremy is guilty' scenario, Jeremy accessed the gun cupboard.

It would be likely that he retrieved the rifle, moderator and ammunition from the gun cupboard, before later returning the moderator.

The ammunition on the counter could have been placed there after everybody was murdered, hence the blood on the counter near the bullets.

Therefore the bullets on the counter and the bullets used don't need to add up to a whole box.

It's often been suggested that Jeremy chased Neville downstairs to the kitchen, I wonder if we've got it back to front and it was Neville chasing after JB when he had run out of bullets?

Yes, I said the same thing a few days ago, it makes more sense and accounts for the problem of Nevill getting past an armed Jeremy in the bedroom.

[maggie]

I know that's why it does not get absorbed .

I don't think anyone has explained the missing bullets - its not a matter of Jeremys  story not adding up . It would appear that whoever the killer was  there were 5 bullets used that were not from the box of 50 - so they must have come from somewhere else . The fact is we don't know that Neville did not put the gun away and the killer took some ammunition from the cupboard when they got the gun . But what I am trying to say is in would help if the casings were DNA tested .

Jeremy after all never said the 25 bullets came from the box in the kitchen did he?

He just explained what he did before he left the farm.

Very true, Jan and it just proves we should never make assumpions, it is quite possible, as you say, that those 5 bullets were taken from somewhere other than the box on the work surface. Just because things appear straight forward doesn't mean they are.
We don't know if Jeremy left the gun out as he said he did, took the gun out and hid it somewhere for easy access, maybe before entering the farmhouse or something else happened. 
I have never been able to believe that he climbed through that window in the pitch black without being armed ready to attack or defend himself if necessary.

[lookout]

Very true, Jan and it just proves we should never make assumpions, it is quite possible, as you say, that those 5 bullets were taken from somewhere other than the box on the work surface. Just because things appear straight forward doesn't mean they are.
We don't know if Jeremy left the gun out as he said he did, took the gun out and hid it somewhere for easy access, maybe before entering the farmhouse or something else happened. 
I have never been able to believe that he climbed through that window in the pitch black without being armed ready to attack or defend himself if necessary.

Imagine the scene if Neville had been on the other side of the window,waiting, on hearing a noise ? Anyone entering the farmhouse in whatever way wouldn't have known if all occupants had been asleep.
Nobody would take that chance whoever they were. Neville would have protected his family.

[guest154]

Imagine the scene if Neville had been on the other side of the window,waiting, on hearing a noise ? Anyone entering the farmhouse in whatever way wouldn't have known if all occupants had been asleep.
Nobody would take that chance whoever they were. Neville would have protected his family.

That's why Jeremy entered in the middle of the night, when people are sleeping. His plan wasn't fool proof - but he planned it and his story afterwards the bes tthat he could do, sadly appears he had luck on his side that night - but his luck ran out not long after.

[lookout]

That's why Jeremy entered in the middle of the night, when people are sleeping. His plan wasn't fool proof - but he planned it and his story afterwards the bes tthat he could do, sadly appears he had luck on his side that night - but his luck ran out not long after.

 I wouldn't have mentioned the word " luck " where 5 people were slaughtered.

[guest154]

 I wouldn't have mentioned the word " luck " where 5 people were slaughtered.

Luck doesn't have to be a positive thing.

[lookout]

Luck doesn't have to be a positive thing.

Said in the context that it was,it appeared positive speaking of Jeremy's timing,so luck was the wrong word.

You'd have rattled me if I'd used the word luck which concerned 5 murders. I'd never have heard the last of it,would I ?

[guest154]

Said in the context that it was,it appeared positive speaking of Jeremy's timing,so luck was the wrong word.

You'd have rattled me if I'd used the word luck which concerned 5 murders. I'd never have heard the last of it,would I ?

Which is exactly what you're trying to do to me! 

[maggie]

That's why Jeremy entered in the middle of the night, when people are sleeping. His plan wasn't fool proof - but he planned it and his story afterwards the bes tthat he could do, sadly appears he had luck on his side that night - but his luck ran out not long after.

Psychopaths are risk takers so if |Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath he would probably have enjoyed climbing through the window but it would have been foolish even for a psycho not to protect themselves just in case. 

[lookout]

Which is exactly what you're trying to do to me! 

Do as you would be done by my friend.Not nice is it ?

[Jane]

Imagine the scene if Neville had been on the other side of the window,waiting, on hearing a noise ? Anyone entering the farmhouse in whatever way wouldn't have known if all occupants had been asleep.
Nobody would take that chance whoever they were. Neville would have protected his family.

The trouble is, Lookout, when people are packed, so tightly, into these convenient little boxes in the way you've placed them, there's no room left in which they can manoeuvre and it frequently comes as a shock to learn that people are capable of acting very differently. The only control we have over their action is in our own imaginings.