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[buddy]

There were two magazines. One ten shot, and one five shot, that was supplied the gunshop. [Radcliffes]

[Jan]

A different box? I don't think I've heard that before.

What I mean is if he tipped them out, he could easily say that some rolled across the counter and he had to pick them up. There wouldn't be prints or DNA on all and given that he admits to handling at least 11 it's not going to prove anything unless it's Sheila's prints/DNA - if not, we're right back where we started.

what I meant was - 50 bullets held in the box on the counter - 25 used? Should be 25 left in the box - but there were more ( 29 or 30?) - so where did the other bullets come from - everyone just says there were other boxes of ammunition in the gun cupboard? So if 5 bullets were not from the box on the counter they wont have Jeremys DNA  on them will they?

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but it is mentioned in the book by CAL . And I think Scipio tried to explain it but he made it so complicated it did not really register.

[Jan]

There were two magazines. One ten shot, and one five shot, that was supplied the gunshop. [Radcliffes]

sorry do you mean for the murder weapon there were two magazines - but the one on the rifle was the 10 magazine?

Were the magazines easily changed ?

[Jan]

from Mike

This has got something to do with why DCI Jones, and DS Jones, visit to see Jeremy on the 9th August 1985, to ask him if he had any idea where 5 Bullets known to have been discharged in the shootings had originated from?  This matter arose because only 20rounds were missing from the box of ammunition found on the kitchen worktop, but 25 shots were known to have been shot, producing a disparity involving 5 rounds...

[Jan]

Caroline - do you accept my point there would be 5 bullets from somewhere else?

[Caroline]

Caroline - do you accept my point there would be 5 bullets from somewhere else?

Well, they didn't come from the box that he opened on the counter. Had Sheila been guilty, is it likely that she would have gone elsewhere to look for ammunition when there was an open box spilled on the counter top? Perhaps Jeremy partially filled the magazine using ammunition from an near empty box and then opened the new one?

[Jan]

Well, they didn't come from the box that he opened on the counter. Had Sheila been guilty, is it likely that she would have gone elsewhere to look for ammunition when there was an open box spilled on the counter top? Perhaps Jeremy partially filled the magazine using ammunition from an near empty box and then opened the new one?

Well he could not say that now could he?

I don't know what the answer is or even if there could be another magazine for the gun ? But it seems odd that either of them would go elsewhere for the missing bullets.

[Caroline]

Well he could not say that now could he?

I don't know what the answer is or even if there could be another magazine for the gun ? But it seems odd that either of them would go elsewhere for the missing bullets.

But Jeremy wouldn't have had to go elsewhere. He fills the magazine before he goes home, he uses what was left from one box and then opens a new one - this is the one he later puts on the counter top.

[Jan]

But Jeremy wouldn't have had to go elsewhere. He fills the magazine before he goes home, he uses what was left from one box and then opens a new one - this is the one he later puts on the counter top.

And forgets? Or does not cover that in his story? 

Just take the extra 5 bullets out of the box when he leaves  and then it never would have been queried.

[Caroline]

And forgets? Or does not cover that in his story? 

Just take the extra 5 bullets out of the box when he leaves  and then it never would have been queried.

He probably just didn't think about it.

[Jan]

He probably just didn't think about it.

well I understand the police did ask him about it quite early on but he does not seem to have come up with a cover story so far.

[Caroline]

well I understand the police did ask him about it quite early on but he does not seem to have come up with a cover story so far.

To be fair, he doesn't need to - he can maintain that he took ALL of the bullets from the box on the counter, as he is stating he is innocent, he doesn't have to say how the magazine was filled after that.

[Jan]

To be fair, he doesn't need to - he can maintain that he took ALL of the bullets from the box on the counter, as he is stating he is innocent, he doesn't have to say how the magazine was filled after that.

No I agree - but if the 5 bullets did come from somewhere else there should be no chance they had his DNA on if they are tested now. So if all 25 casings had his DNA on it would prove guilt .

[guest154]

No I agree - but if the 5 bullets did come from somewhere else there should be no chance they had his DNA on if they are tested now. So if all 25 casings had his DNA on it would prove guilt .

The number don't seem to add up though do they, Jan? Is it bugging you? I remember Scips explantation and he did seem to explain it quite well that Jeremy's story couldn't be completely true about the bullets because there was 5 bullets less in Jeremy's story.

Problem is his post was about 4000 pages long.

[Jan]

The number don't seem to add up though do they, Jan? Is it bugging you? I remember Scips explantation and he did seem to explain it quite well that Jeremy's story couldn't be completely true about the bullets because there was 5 bullets less in Jeremy's story.

Problem is his post was about 4000 pages long.

I know that's why it does not get absorbed .

I don't think anyone has explained the missing bullets - its not a matter of Jeremys  story not adding up . It would appear that whoever the killer was  there were 5 bullets used that were not from the box of 50 - so they must have come from somewhere else . The fact is we don't know that Neville did not put the gun away and the killer took some ammunition from the cupboard when they got the gun . But what I am trying to say is in would help if the casings were DNA tested .

Jeremy after all never said the 25 bullets came from the box in the kitchen did he?

He just explained what he did before he left the farm.