New Technology

[JackiePreece]

Very good digging by Holly on the red


New Year...New Forensics...And A Time For Closure...?

When I was checking out something unrelated I stumbled across the following. If the casings still exist this could potentially provide the proof everyone is looking for.

JB states he left the magazine full (10) and maybe a bullet in the breach (1). 25 shots were fired with 24 casings recovered. Therefore the perp must have loaded a further 14 or 15 bullets.

The new forensic technique involves fingerprints on metals whereby the fingerprint/sweat causes corrosion of the metal so even if washed or wiped an indelible print remains and the technique is able to reveal the fingerprint.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/research/challenges/safe/fingerprint

As we know the bullets are tiny so unlikely to contain full prints but they should contain enough partials to determine whose prints are on the 13 or 14 casings: JB or SC. If none then this might strongly suggest JB was the perp and wore gloves. Alternatively enough partials may be found strongly suggesting SC was the perp. Or of course the technique might reveal JB's prints either in full or sufficient partials to conclude beyond any doubt he was the perp.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/aug/28/forensicscience.fingerpr
 

[lookout]

Was this test ever carried out ? Or might there be one or two flying pigs around ?

[JackiePreece]

I think it's very very new technology
Ngb might know

[lookout]

 Jackie,everything's very very new since 1985.    Investigations back then were pretty archaic in comparison.
Well they seemed so in Essex.

[lookout]

Perhaps Holly could contact the campaign team and tell them of her find ? The more info the better I'd have thought. She's quite a sleuth,eh ?

[Jan]

did they not treat the casings with something though to try and get prints? would that affect the results?

[Jan]

there is a link to the technology on this forum in 2011

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,491.msg7872.html#msg7872

[lookout]

Not sure.It would I suppose,depend on what was used to obtain any prints. Whatever it might have been wouldn't have obviously been as accurate given standards of today.
There was so much cross-contamination with items back then it would be a job and a half to get any sort of a correct result.
To hear the words of the " top cop ",Gradwell say that the investigation stank was enough for me and should have also sent warnings to others too.

[Jan]

here is an interesting thread by Mike - if someone wants to post the documents - perhaps Holly would be interested?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1071.msg33037.html#msg33037

I have only posted one

[Jan]

on 15th Aug why were they worried about prints if they thought it was murder suicide?

[lookout]

Maybe to match those of the " unknown male " which were found on the rifle ?

[Jan]

this is interesting - source Michael turner appeal notes 2002?


Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? [18]  One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.  He had been adamant that Sheila a farmers daughter, would not have known how to fire the weapon. Peter Eaton says in his draft statements to The City of London Police, that he saw Sheila with a gun on a shoot in Scotland some years previous, and he also states that he had seen photographs of Sheila holding a gun. [19] In fact most of the relatives in the case made u

[Jan]

someone said before the casings were too small for prints ( but I guess not for DNA) but I am guessing they did not find fibres from gloves either?

I wonder what the document was that said their were prints?

[lookout]

Did people really think that Sheila hadn't known one end of a gun/rifle from the other ? On a working farm ?

[Jane]

this is interesting - source Michael turner appeal notes 2002?


Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? [18]  One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.  He had been adamant that Sheila a farmers daughter, would not have known how to fire the weapon. Peter Eaton says in his draft statements to The City of London Police, that he saw Sheila with a gun on a shoot in Scotland some years previous, and he also states that he had seen photographs of Sheila holding a gun. [19] In fact most of the relatives in the case made u

"Holding" a gun is rather different to firing a gun. Without question, if I was trying to load a gun, such would have to be my concentration on it, that it wouldn't be too difficult to disarm me.