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Offline David1819

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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2015, 07:59:PM »
We all wouldn't be here now, that's for sure!!

There would be allot more to talk about thou. With Adam's prosecution strategy the Jury find him not guilty after 3 minutes deliberation, Then Jeremy can publish the autobiography he keeps talking about.


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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2015, 08:08:PM »
I wouldn't have seen that, I don't read your post every often, however, every single point you make has been discussed before - more than once. If you did make the point, you clearly didn't make it very well!!

You should click his link.  Someone else made the point not him. He is a funny guy.  He trying to take credit for this idea posted by someone else because he created the thread.  In the link he posted he admitted to the person that he had not thought of it,

It was good that you suggested Neville could have followed Jeremy into the kitchen. I had never thought of that option before.

I have lurked for a long time and never posted before because other people know the case far better but this is too good to pass up. Never before did I see someone take credit for ideas from others because they started the topic where the ideas wound up being expressed.  That really cracks me up I'm balling here.

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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2015, 08:53:PM »
You should click his link.  Someone else made the point not him. He is a funny guy.  He trying to take credit for this idea posted by someone else because he created the thread.  In the link he posted he admitted to the person that he had not thought of it,

It was good that you suggested Neville could have followed Jeremy into the kitchen. I had never thought of that option before.

I have lurked for a long time and never posted before because other people know the case far better but this is too good to pass up. Never before did I see someone take credit for ideas from others because they started the topic where the ideas wound up being expressed.  That really cracks me up I'm balling here.


Lemonhead, it's good to see you posting as opposed to lurking.

Sadly, Adam has become his own worst enemy -we can't ALL be wrong about this fact- he goad, taunts and insults just far enough below the radar that for a long time nothing was done. He's flooded the forum with fairly useless threads which amount to little more than "The Thoughts of Adam" presented as fact. He has no understanding of what forensic means yet bombards us with threads labelled such. He makes broad claims insisting or stating something as fact when it is only his opinion. It is a shame that something he's posted which IS of value, or gives credit elsewhere has become lost amongst his usual "style." However, I would like to point out that it does occur that someone makes a salient point which is ignored at the time but becomes taken up later when another poster might say something similar. That's just the way it is.

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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2015, 09:06:PM »
You should click his link.  Someone else made the point not him. He is a funny guy.  He trying to take credit for this idea posted by someone else because he created the thread.  In the link he posted he admitted to the person that he had not thought of it,

It was good that you suggested Neville could have followed Jeremy into the kitchen. I had never thought of that option before.

I have lurked for a long time and never posted before because other people know the case far better but this is too good to pass up. Never before did I see someone take credit for ideas from others because they started the topic where the ideas wound up being expressed.  That really cracks me up I'm balling here.

Yes, he always does that - but glad it brought you out to post! Welcome, hope you don't go back into lurking.  :). Which side do you favour - or are you undecided?
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2015, 09:07:PM »
There would be allot more to talk about thou. With Adam's prosecution strategy the Jury find him not guilty after 3 minutes deliberation, Then Jeremy can publish the autobiography he keeps talking about.

Why so long?  :o ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2015, 10:15:PM »
Why so long?  :o ;D ;D ;D

I was being nice  ^-^

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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2015, 09:54:AM »

Lemonhead, it's good to see you posting as opposed to lurking.

Sadly, Adam has become his own worst enemy -we can't ALL be wrong about this fact- he goad, taunts and insults just far enough below the radar that for a long time nothing was done. He's flooded the forum with fairly useless threads which amount to little more than "The Thoughts of Adam" presented as fact. He has no understanding of what forensic means yet bombards us with threads labelled such. He makes broad claims insisting or stating something as fact when it is only his opinion. It is a shame that something he's posted which IS of value, or gives credit elsewhere has become lost amongst his usual "style." However, I would like to point out that it does occur that someone makes a salient point which is ignored at the time but becomes taken up later when another poster might say something similar. That's just the way it is.

Well this post is goading. I will forward it onto NGB for his view.

Well my threads get big responses. Some hundreds of pages. The topics have never been discussed before. The forum was totally dead when I joined. You always respond to my threads. So strange that in you're opinion they are 'fairly useless'. You post on here from mid morning to late evening every day, but have only ever created one thread, so haven't really got anything to back up you're 'fairly useless' statement. 

But thank you for this time using the mild 'fairly useless' phrase. It was disappointing you called my last poll 'f--king useless'. As well as call me a 'cretin' and suggested I was taking drugs.  I had spent several minutes creating it and it came back with good results and a big response. Everyone agreeing Bamber had to fire the second shot into Sheila and that suffocating her was not an option for him.

Well unlike most other posters,  including you, I don't call posters 'areseholes', 'liars', 'pratts', 'bullshitters', 'cretins','depraved' etc. This is aggressive goading of the worst kind and badly degrades the forum. But appreciate my well written responses are sometimes too clever and witty for their own good and the moderators are often all over me. Wit on the forum ? Perish the thought ! So I have just been trying to discuss the case, on both forums.  But obviously have to respond to personal attacks such as this,  in a civilised way.

Me not knowing what forensic evidence is ? That's a new one and a rather sweeping and offensive statement. I hope that is not the case, as a lot of my recent posts have been on forensic evidence. Taken from the 2002 appeal, and lots of other sources from my research. This was because several  posters from both sides were still saying the silencer is the only forensic evidence against Bamber, which is clearly not the case. I hope my 'Forensic Evidence Library' and other recent forensic posts have assisted everyone.

Well obviously my opinion is not fact. But I can only give my opinion from looking at the facts. My post yesterday from the facts taken from the 2002 appeal gave the opinion that Sheila's condition was surely enough for a conviction without needing the silencer evidence. No one has agreed or disagreed with this. It will be good to get peoples opinions.
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2015, 10:52:AM »
'Three further cartridge cases were found in the kitchen, with a further case on the stairs leading up from the kitchen'.

This stairs shot at Neville must have been as he retreated to the kitchen.
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2015, 11:51:AM »
Well this post is goading. I will forward it onto NGB for his view.

Well my threads get big responses. Some hundreds of pages. The topics have never been discussed before. The forum was totally dead when I joined. You always respond to my threads. So strange that in you're opinion they are 'fairly useless'. You post on here from mid morning to late evening every day, but have only ever created one thread, so haven't really got anything to back up you're 'fairly useless' statement. 

But thank you for this time using the mild 'fairly useless' phrase. It was disappointing you called my last poll 'f--king useless'. As well as call me a 'cretin' and suggested I was taking drugs.  I had spent several minutes creating it and it came back with good results and a big response. Everyone agreeing Bamber had to fire the second shot into Sheila and that suffocating her was not an option for him.

Well unlike most other posters,  including you, I don't call posters 'areseholes', 'liars', 'pratts', 'bullshitters', 'cretins','depraved' etc. This is aggressive goading of the worst kind and badly degrades the forum. But appreciate my well written responses are sometimes too clever and witty for their own good and the moderators are often all over me. Wit on the forum ? Perish the thought ! So I have just been trying to discuss the case, on both forums.  But obviously have to respond to personal attacks such as this,  in a civilised way.

Me not knowing what forensic evidence is ? That's a new one and a rather sweeping and offensive statement. I hope that is not the case, as a lot of my recent posts have been on forensic evidence. Taken from the 2002 appeal, and lots of other sources from my research. This was because several  posters from both sides were still saying the silencer is the only forensic evidence against Bamber, which is clearly not the case. I hope my 'Forensic Evidence Library' and other recent forensic posts have assisted everyone.

Well obviously my opinion is not fact. But I can only give my opinion from looking at the facts. My post yesterday from the facts taken from the 2002 appeal gave the opinion that Sheila's condition was surely enough for a conviction without needing the silencer evidence. No one has agreed or disagreed with this. It will be good to get peoples opinions.


Adam, I'm flattered that you choose to pick me out, from others, to censure. As always, please feel entirely free to share, with Neil, the post you refer to as "goading". Having taught English and won many literary awards, I'm perfectly convinced that the post is merely informative, if you want it to be. It becomes goading only if you choose it to be.

Referencing your other complaints. I obviously regarded whatever poll it was I was critical of as being what you said, however, I don't recall saying you were a cretin. I'd have been far more likely -as I have no proof- to have said you were acting or behaving like one. I have no recall of suggesting you were a drug user-again, I have no proof- but I may have asked if it was possible. It's only a matter of opinion, of course, but, contrary to what you say, having marked numerous English papers, I don't regard some of yours as being well written. However, on the occasions when I've agreed with you, I've said so. I don't regard you as being stupid, Adam, although I believe some of what you say may be. You're certainly clever enough to take every opportunity to describe posters with all the vile names you maintain you never use. I'd say it was a way to goad whilst putting on to others the responsibility for it.

Before your next complaint to Neil against me, Adam, perhaps you should ask yourself where are all your supporters who rush to defend you against my -allegedly- unjust criticisms of you. I would add that I'm by no means the only one and I don't believe it would be an over-estimation to say the present mod team probably receive more complaints about you than any other member here..................................................however, it's Christmas and I wish you a very happy one.

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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2015, 12:35:PM »
Well this post is goading. I will forward it onto NGB for his view.

Well my threads get big responses. Some hundreds of pages. The topics have never been discussed before. The forum was totally dead when I joined. You always respond to my threads. So strange that in you're opinion they are 'fairly useless'. You post on here from mid morning to late evening every day, but have only ever created one thread, so haven't really got anything to back up you're 'fairly useless' statement. 

But thank you for this time using the mild 'fairly useless' phrase. It was disappointing you called my last poll 'f--king useless'. As well as call me a 'cretin' and suggested I was taking drugs.  I had spent several minutes creating it and it came back with good results and a big response. Everyone agreeing Bamber had to fire the second shot into Sheila and that suffocating her was not an option for him.

Well unlike most other posters,  including you, I don't call posters 'areseholes', 'liars', 'pratts', 'bullshitters', 'cretins','depraved' etc. This is aggressive goading of the worst kind and badly degrades the forum. But appreciate my well written responses are sometimes too clever and witty for their own good and the moderators are often all over me. Wit on the forum ? Perish the thought ! So I have just been trying to discuss the case, on both forums.  But obviously have to respond to personal attacks such as this,  in a civilised way.

Me not knowing what forensic evidence is ? That's a new one and a rather sweeping and offensive statement. I hope that is not the case, as a lot of my recent posts have been on forensic evidence. Taken from the 2002 appeal, and lots of other sources from my research. This was because several  posters from both sides were still saying the silencer is the only forensic evidence against Bamber, which is clearly not the case. I hope my 'Forensic Evidence Library' and other recent forensic posts have assisted everyone.

Well obviously my opinion is not fact. But I can only give my opinion from looking at the facts. My post yesterday from the facts taken from the 2002 appeal gave the opinion that Sheila's condition was surely enough for a conviction without needing the silencer evidence. No one has agreed or disagreed with this. It will be good to get peoples opinions.

Your threads get lots of responses because you wind people up in the way you post and they can't help saying so. To be honest, I think they would be better saying nothing.

You talk down to people and can't help goading in just about every post. I could understand if it was just now and again and the result of a difference of opinion but people on both sides are fed up with your sneering and digs at other people's theories and ideas.

Contrary to your own belief that you saved the forum with your threads of many colours, I think the opposite is true. Thing is, if you stuck to debating and stopped trying to badger people with your suggestions , this may actually go back to being enjoyable. If someone doesn't agree with you, you don't just debate the point - you start the sneering and the foot stamping and you go on, and on and on. You don't do this on the red forum Adam so you shouldn't be doing it here!
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2015, 01:12:PM »


Me not knowing what forensic evidence is ? That's a new one and a rather sweeping and offensive statement. I hope that is not the case, as a lot of my recent posts have been on forensic evidence. Taken from the 2002 appeal, and lots of other sources from my research. This was because several  posters from both sides were still saying the silencer is the only forensic evidence against Bamber, which is clearly not the case. I hope my 'Forensic Evidence Library' and other recent forensic posts have assisted everyone.

Well obviously my opinion is not fact. But I can only give my opinion from looking at the facts. My post yesterday from the facts taken from the 2002 appeal gave the opinion that Sheila's condition was surely enough for a conviction without needing the silencer evidence. No one has agreed or disagreed with this. It will be good to get peoples opinions.

Adam when will the reports by the Chief Medical Examiner of Virginia Dr David Fowler and Chief Medical examiner of Oakland county Michigan Dr Dragovic explaining that the Silencer was not attached on the gun when Shelia was shot?  The peer reviews by Pathologist Dr. Marcella Fierro and ballistics expert Philip Boyce would be a good addition also.

I am sure these reports are a must have addition to your 'Forensic Library' when can we expect them to be indexed?


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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2015, 01:26:PM »
Adam when will the reports by the Chief Medical Examiner of Virginia Dr David Fowler and Chief Medical examiner of Oakland county Michigan Dr Dragovic explaining that the Silencer was not attached on the gun when Shelia was shot?  The peer reviews by Pathologist Dr. Marcella Fierro and ballistics expert Philip Boyce would be a good addition also.

I am sure these reports are a must have addition to your 'Forensic Library' when can we expect them to be indexed?

Well my forensic library was created in direct response to several posters saying the silencer was the only forensic evidence against Bamber.

With the library highlighting the vast amount of forensic evidence against Bamber, this will not be said again by current posters. However new posters may make this claim in future, as 'Wiggy' and 'Notsure' did when joining. Myself or anyone else can then direct them to the library.

It would confuse posters if my forensic library had posts and thread links supporting Bamber. However feel free to go into the individual links to discuss.

If you wish to create a forensic library showing Sheila was the killer, feel free. I will now amend the title of my library to include 'Jeremy' in it.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 01:37:PM by Adam »
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Re: Perhaps Jeremy Didn't Follow Nevill Dowstairs?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2015, 02:37:PM »


................... My post yesterday from the facts taken from the 2002 appeal gave the opinion that Sheila's condition was surely enough for a conviction without needing the silencer evidence. No one has agreed or disagreed with this. It will be good to get peoples opinions.


It might be worth considering that perhaps no one is in a hurry to give you their opinions because A) they probably don't think you have any interest in their opinions  and B) they wish to avoid being sneered at and spoken down to. I find it interesting that whilst you accuse me of goading you, you appear to feel you have a perfect right to do it to everyone else.

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2015, 03:05:PM »
Well my forensic library was created in direct response to several posters saying the silencer was the only forensic evidence against Bamber.

With the library highlighting the vast amount of forensic evidence against Bamber, this will not be said again by current posters. However new posters may make this claim in future, as 'Wiggy' and 'Notsure' did when joining. Myself or anyone else can then direct them to the library.

It would confuse posters if my forensic library had posts and thread links supporting Bamber. However feel free to go into the individual links to discuss.

If you wish to create a forensic library showing Sheila was the killer, feel free. I will now amend the title of my library to include 'Jeremy' in it.

A) What they said was probably rhetorical and not an open invitation/request for  your response.

B) It's perfectly possible that your alleged "library" will be viewed in the same way as most of your threads -with disinterest and soon forgotten.

C) They would only be confused if they read them.

D) Why would you think that everyone who disagrees with you, automatically thinks Sheila did it? I feel certain no one will mind what you decide to rename your "library" but it may be best not to include "forensic" in it.