Forensic breakdown of Neville's beating. The possibility of it being Sheila.

[Jan]

your quoting the words of a child killer .what proof have you got or seen that this was their plan .i would like to see it.the only one to tell that story was jb.complete rubbish.why didnt she see the other victims as devils and beat them also.

so you know 100% he is guilty so why are you here?  And I would not be so presumptious to know what goes through the mind of someone with her illness.

what is true is that she was ill, she had been concerned that she could harm her own children and she had seen FE as the devil. And those are not the words of Jeremy they are the words of her doctor and her friend.

[Jan]

Jan, I went through all of those possibilities. They were just suppositions. We have NO idea of what, if any, conversation transpired that evening. There are many conflicting reports about Sheila's behaviour but I don't believe any were conducive to her committing murder. Like you, I don't believe most things in terms of being black or white. I also find myself wondering, if the decision had been arrived at that Sheila had been responsible, whether MORE people would be wondering if it had been Jeremy who was responsible.

exactly that's what I said supposition. But there was nothing in Jeremys behaviour to suggest he was a murderer either . Unless of course you believe Julie. Like I said I am always here to discuss and ask questions. That's all.

[Jane]

exactly that's what I said supposition. But there was nothing in Jeremys behaviour to suggest he was a murderer either . Unless of course you believe Julie. Like I said I am always here to discuss and ask questions. That's all.

Do you think there's anything in Sheila's behaviour to suggest she was a murderer, other than her mental illness is convenient?

[sami]

so you know 100% he is guilty so why are you here?  And I would not be so presumptious to know what goes through the mind of someone with her illness.

what is true is that she was ill, she had been concerned that she could harm her own children and she had seen FE as the devil. And those are not the words of Jeremy they are the words of her doctor and her friend.

i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .

[notsure]

Adam, your points 1 to 7 wouldnt they apply to jeremy too.? Julie didnt comment on any marks on him neither did any family members or police that were with him from the get go,

you cant have it both ways.

How did he cover up his injuries. Bloodied clothes etc.

dont buy it.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7199.0.html

[Jane]

Adam, your points 1 to 7 wouldnt they apply to jeremy too.? Julie didnt comment on any marks on him neither did any family members or police that were with him from the get go,

you cant have it both ways.

How did he cover up his injuries. Bloodied clothes etc.

dont buy it.

DEAD (forgive the pun) easy. A) No one was looking for them  B) He had time to cover any  C) he could have put bloodied clothes in the washing machine as soon as he got home and long before he called the police.  D) He could have hidden them until they could be disposed of.

[lookout]

Do you think there's anything in Sheila's behaviour to suggest she was a murderer, other than her mental illness is convenient?

The fact that she was quiet ( thinking deeply ) Her quick temper. The " hints " that she gave out which no normal person would think let alone tell.
" All people are bad and should be killed " as told to BW.
" Her boys were capable of killing her,etc."as told to her psychiatrist.

Would not these be warning signs ?

In MOST cases where mothers have killed,either their GP's or Psychiatrists have said that they didn't pose a danger. How much do these people know ? They put it down to them " not being well !!" They don't say !
 

[notsure]

Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight!  Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.

nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .

[Jane]

The fact that she was quiet ( thinking deeply ) Her quick temper. The " hints " that she gave out which no normal person would think let alone tell.
" All people are bad and should be killed " as told to BW.
" Her boys were capable of killing her,etc."as told to her psychiatrist.

Would not these be warning signs ?

In MOST cases where mothers have killed,either their GP's or Psychiatrists have said that they didn't pose a danger. How much do these people know ? They put it down to them " not being well !!" They don't say !
 

You're ignoring that I said her illness was being used by the innocent side as a convenient crutch, Lookout. Those things you quote her as saying were prior to her being admitted when she had the first breakdown and PRIOR to being medicated. Those quotes were part of the reason she was admitted. What I was asking was what there was about Sheila's personality -leaving out her illness-m which suggested she was capable of murder.

[Jane]

Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight!  Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.

nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .

Did they have x-ray eyes to see beneath his clothes? Julie certainly shared his bed but she implied to the police that she hadn't felt able to have sex with him after the murders which suggests she may not have been too keen to examine his body closely. What makes you think the police would have been able to see any injuries on him whilst the were taking tea with him? Had there been any, he'd undoubtedly have gone to great lengths to cover them -didn't a glove come off at some point during the struggle with his father?- and they'd have passed off any need for layers of clothes as shock.

[Adam]

Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight!  Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.

nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .

Bamber was padded up, and a lot stronger than Sheila. He wasn't bare footed wearing a nightie. I posted a link for you just now.

[sami]

Sorry jane rubbish, this is the person that was supposed to have savagely beaten his father who had put up a tremendous fight!  Julie surely having slept in the same bed as him would have seen injuries. Anne eaton seemed to be determined to frame him fof the murder but she couldn't come up with any either. The police were sat at his table drinking tea and they didnt see any.

nope dont buy it. If shiela was supposed to have injuries etc etc then so would have jeremy .

what injuries do you expect jb to have .if he was wearing gloves and mask.lets get it straight after taking 4 shots .nevill was in self defence mode jb was the attacker .the best nevill could do was block and try to grab the gun from jb.i doubt if both arms and hands were used because of the shots to his arm.he would not be punching or scratching jb.at best he tryed to grab the rifle .so jb would not have to be marked as people think.he beat nevill until he passed out then reloaded and shot him in the head

[Jan]

i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .

lets start again shall we without insulting each others posts.

What part of my post specifically was rubbish?

[susan]

i never said i knew everything 100%. iam here to learn more about the case .also why iam here is no concern of yours.i know rubbish when i read it .

sami what part of Jan's post do you think is rubbish?