Forensic breakdown of Neville's beating. The possibility of it being Sheila.

[Adam]

The main injuries caused by Neville's horrific beating are -

Black eyes.

Broken nose.

Linear bruising to the cheeks.  Possibly from a hard object like a gun.

Lacerations to the head.

Linear type bruising to the right forearm. Possibly from a hard object such as a gun.

Bruising to the left wrist.

Bruising to the forearm.

Three circular burn type marks to the back.

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The judge said Neville put up 'a ferocious fight for life'. So Sheila would have had to negate Neville with this beating while Neville was still alive.

If the judge was wrong and Neville did not fight back, then why would Sheila give him this beating ? She just needed to shoot him again to kill him.

The view that Sheila killed him with eight bullets then gave a dead man this beating is warped.  Realistically Neville did put up a ferocious fight for life and Sheila had to give him the above injuries. The crime scene, with upturned chairs supports this.


Having established that Sheila had a massive struggle with Neville, while he was alive, the following questions need to be answered -

1:

Is it reasonable that Sheila would not have any  facial or body injuries ?

2:

Is it realistic that Sheila had no marks on her feet ? 

3

Is it reasonable that Sheila would have no damage to her nightie ?

4:

Was Sheila physically strong enough to commit these injuries ? Broken noses, skin bruising and black eyes only occur after massive blows from a fist or another object.

5:

Did Sheila have the time to commit these injuries and kill everyone else, and herself in a short space of time after Neville's phone call and before the police arrived ?

6:

Is it realistic that none of Neville's blood was on Sheila ?

7:

Why did Sheila put circular burn marks on Neville's back,  but not on anyone else's ?


The answer to the first six questions are 'no'. Meaning Sheila could not have committed this beating.

The answer to the seventh question, is that Sheila wanted to make sure Neville was dead.As he had survived the bullets from upstairs. Would Sheila in a psychotic rage have been rational enough to be able decide to do this ?

In conclusion, Sheila did not struggle with Neville.

[Adam]

From the 2002 appeal.

33. In the kitchen the police found Nevill Bamber's body slumped forward over an overturned chair next to the hearth, so that his head was just above a coal scuttle. The police evidence was that there were other chairs and stools upturned and broken crockery, sugar and what appeared to be spots of blood on the floor. A ceiling light lampshade had also been broken. It will be necessary to address further these matter later but on the evidence available at trial, it appeared as though a violent struggle had taken place. On one of the surfaces there was a telephone with the receiver off the cradle. A quantity of .22 shells was beside it.


This shows there was a violent struggle. If Neville got to the kitchen and then just slumped down, lifeless to floor, there was no reason why Sheila on her own would smash up the kitchen. Or beat Neville so horrifically. If she wanted Neville dead, she would have just shot him.

It is impossible for Sheila to have such a tremendous fight with Neville and have no evidence of such.

[guest154]

It is impossible for Sheila to have such a tremendous fight with Neville and have no evidence of such.

With this, I do agree.

[Adam]

What needs to be determined now is did Sheila have a shower after killing everyone ?  But things like bruising you cannot wash off.

[Adam]

369. In addition, there was a body of evidence from non-expert witnesses who had spoken to or been in contact with Sheila Caffell in the days immediately preceding these killings. The trial judge devoted some eight pages of his summing up to all this evidence, and summarised its effect in the following way:

"Most of them saw signs of Sheila's illness which agreed entirely with Dr Ferguson's evidence about it. None of them, at any stage, knew of any physical violence by Sheila, although on occasions when she was acutely ill - as when Freddie saw her just before she went into hospital in March - they were frightened that she might become violent. All of them agree that she was loving - very loving - and caring for her twin sons. There was evidence that she sometimes had a difficult relationship with her mother. Everyone seems to agree that she was very attached to her father, and that he was the person who had a remarkably calming effect upon her. Dr Ferguson said that in his view she treated him as her mentor - a source of help and someone who could calm her when she was in trouble. There is no evidence from anyone of her ever expressing any violence towards her parents."

This is from the 2002 appeal.

If Neville couldn't calm her, Bamber couldn't.

Neville would have asked June was assistance. Either to attempt to calm Sheila, physically help him to restrain Sheila, or ask June to go go the twins. June was in the house, not three miles away.

Anyway, a suggestion has been made that Sheila beat Neville after he had died. This firstly means she fired 8 extremely accurate  head shots into a moving target.

It secondly means that she then carried out a horrific beating to the person she looked up to most, after he had died. Disrupting the kitchen in the process. But did not touch June after she had died.

[sami]

excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read

[maggie]

excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read

interesting post Sami.

[sami]

interesting post Sami.

interesting post Sami.

sorry maggie .all true facts in MY opinion

[maggie]

sorry maggie .all true facts in MY opinion

You are entitled to your opinion.

[Jane]

excellent posts adam and all true facts.doubters must read

That has to be a first on both points.

[susan]

interesting post Sami.

Maggie
not aware that we have any doubters on here either guilty or innocent and I don't think for one moment anyone is about to change their views reading Adam's posts the information he is posting was posted up when I joined  years ago maybe somebody new to the case will find his posts helpful.

[sami]

Maggie
not aware that we have any doubters on here either guilty or innocent and I don't think for one moment anyone is about to change their views reading Adam's posts the information he is posting was posted up when I joined  years ago maybe somebody new to the case will find his posts helpful.

if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted

[susan]

if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted

Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it.  Where has freedom of choice gone.  You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.

[Jane]

if you dont beleive he did it youre a doubter.in my opinion adams posts with the evidence will change more peoples minds on his guilt than anything you have posted

I'm sure Adam will be pleased to know he has a supporter, but I feel his posts are more unlikely, than most, to change anyone's mind.

[susan]

Hahaha sami that is not very democratic is it.  Where has freedom of choice gone.  You are convinced Jeremy Bamber is guilty some posters on here are equally convinced he is innocent they don't call you a doubter and many of them have been following the case longer than you and probably have more knowledge than you as you are quite new to the case.

sami firstly why would I wish to try and change anyone's mind and how do you know my stance on this case you don't and I will leave it to you to work it out.