Forensic evidence on Neville:

[David1819]

Fletcher said in his statement the wooden shoulder stock was broken and a piece missing?  Where is the shoulder stock area?  Or is he saying the grip area?

The part missing is located were I put the red arrow. You can see the damage in actual photos of the rifle plus in the diagram of the rifle. The blue arrow shows its part of the design but some on here mistakenly think its were the missing part should go.

[guest7363]

The part missing is located were I put the red arrow. You can see the damage in actual photos of the rifle plus in the diagram of the rifle. The blue arrow shows its part of the design but some on here mistakenly think its were the missing part should go.

. Thanks David, bit confusing when you read all the stories about the butt end of the rifle broken?  The part broken then is the grip area?

[lookout]

Possibly the part which is superimposed as opposed to that part which is integrated ?
It would have hit something harder than a skull to have broken off. More like the Aga surround when the real target was missed,which would account for the marks on the Aga surround.

[David1819]

. Thanks David, bit confusing when you read all the stories about the butt end of the rifle broken?  The part broken then is the grip area?

Not everyone's terminology would be the same maybe? Some may consider the grip area part of the Butt end, makes sense as it is all made up of one wooden part.

[Caroline]

That's not the part that broke off Caroline. If you look at the picture below I put a red arrow that shows where the part had fallen off, As the blue arrow shows its part of the design of the gun not damage. I am also not convinced that piece of wood by the Aga is the missing part of the gun.

Cheers David, not too familiar with guns - but thanks for pointing it out 

[Caroline]

Is this where it's missing? (Yellow highlighter).

[Adam]

Well Neville's horrific injuries do seem consistent with Bamber using the rifle. I mean could he really give Neville black eyes, a broken nose, head lacerations and a broken jaw with his bare hands ?

It was obviously the butt of the rifle. The front end had the silencer on and was too weak to cause the injuries.

[maggie]

Well Neville's horrific injuries do seem consistent with Bamber using the rifle. I mean could he really give Neville black eyes, a broken nose, head lacerations and a broken jaw with his bare hands ?

It was obviously the butt of the rifle. The front end had the silencer on and was too weak to cause the injuries.

I would imagine some of the injuries to Nevill were caused by the bullets entering his face and skull, such violent wounds would cause massive bruising and fracture to his face.

[Caroline]

I would imagine some of the injuries to Nevill were caused by the bullets entering his face and skull, such violent wounds would cause massive bruising and fracture to his face.

That's true but Venezis described linear injuries consistent with being hit (most likely) with the rifle.

[maggie]

That's true but Venezis described linear injuries consistent with being hit (most likely) with the rifle.

I know Caroline, I wasn't contesting that but was just adding my bit.

[David1819]

Is this where it's missing? (Yellow highlighter).

Not quiet. what appears to be missing is what I have turned blue in this photo of the same model gun. roughly not 100% but should give people an idea

[Caroline]

Not quiet. what appears to be missing is what I have turned blue in this photo of the same model gun. roughly not 100% but should give people an idea

That's the same area??

[David1819]

That's the same area??

The part of the end you highlighted is part of the design, Its allot easier if you use  another photo of the same model gun. The CS photos are poor quality

[Adam]

The rifle butt most likely fell off because Neville was repeatedly hit by it with extreme brute force. As there was blood on the rifle and Neville's injuries were so horrific.

If there was a struggle in the kitchen over the rifle, it would not hit a hard surface hard enough to break. Neither Bamber or Neville have any reason to hit a hard surface with the rifle with extreme brute force.

It is much more likely the silencer would scratch the wall in a struggle, resulting in the red paint getting on there.

[Caroline]

The part of the end you highlighted is part of the design, Its allot easier if you use  another photo of the same model gun. The CS photos are poor quality

No, that was the first picture, the yellow highlight was this .......