June's bike being forensically tested:

[Adam]

Bamber's supporters often say the bike was forensically tested, with no evidence found. Was this really surprising ?

If Bamber exited WHF with no blood on him, then no blood would be on the bike. If he did transfer blood onto the bike, he still had a long time to clean the bike before it was forensically tested.

Testing methods in 1985 were no where near as advanced as now, so it was unlikely anything would be found.

What is much more interesting regarding the bike is that it was brought over just before the massacre. Something AE found surprising when she saw it outside Bamber's cottage. Julie also said he planned to cycle to WHF. The reason given by Bamber for him taking June's bike  has always been very implausible.

Do other people believe the bike being forensically tested and coming back with nothing, was nothing to get excited about ?

[Steve_uk]

Bamber's supporters often say the bike was forensically tested, with no evidence found. Was this really surprising ?

If Bamber exited WHF with no blood on him, then no blood would be on the bike. If he did transfer blood onto the bike, he still had a long time to clean the bike before it was forensically tested.

Testing methods in 1985 were no where near as advanced as now, so it was unlikely anything would be found.

What is much more interesting regarding the bike is that it was brought over just before the massacre. Something AE found surprising when she saw it outside Bamber's cottage. Julie also said he planned to cycle to WHF. The reason given by Bamber for him taking June's bike  has always been very implausible.

Do other people believe the bike being forensically tested and coming back with nothing, was nothing to get excited about ?

From memory the bike wasn't cleaned but was still covered with yellow sulphurous mud,typical of the area. It's unlikely that any woman was responsible for leaving it in such a state. I don't know how soon forensic evidence decomposes, but it is surprising if it was used in the murders that none was found,nor that no tyre tracks were found in the roads to and from White House Farm.

[maggie]

From memory the bike wasn't cleaned but was still covered with yellow sulphurous mud,typical of the area. It's unlikely that any woman was responsible for leaving it in such a state. I don't know how soon forensic evidence decomposes, but it is surprising if it was used in the murders that none was found,nor that no tyre tracks were found in the roads to and from White House Farm.

I am sure I read that there was. That yellow mud in the tracks round the farm, Steve.
Mind you Grahame always said there were sulphur mines on the sea wall.

[David1819]

From memory the bike wasn't cleaned but was still covered with yellow sulphurous mud,typical of the area.

A bike that happens to contain mud on it, The mud is consistent with the mud in the local area.


Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury you must find the defendant guilty 


 

[Steve_uk]

I am sure I read that there was. That yellow mud in the tracks round the farm, Steve.
Mind you Grahame always said there were sulphur mines on the sea wall.

Was it possible he left it hidden around the sea wall and then approached the Farm on foot? It shows his supreme confidence that he did not bother to wash the bicycle but left it propped up against the back gate for several weeks.

[maggie]

Was it possible he left it hidden around the sea wall and then approached the Farm on foot? It shows his supreme confidence that he did not bother to wash the bicycle but left it propped up against the back gate for several weeks.

Think Grahame was joking Steve
He may have hidden the bike but I'm not convinced about the bike being used.
I have no real idea how he got back from WHF. Often the right answer is the simplest option. Possibly if JM said he used the bike then he did. She knew plenty imo.

[Steve_uk]

Think Grahame was joking Steve
He may have hidden the bike but I'm not convinced about the bike being used.
I have no real idea how he got back from WHF. Often the right answer is the simplest option. So maybe he did walk, what do you think he did?

He seemed to give Julie some of the story(using the bicycle,access via window,killing victims and telling Sheila to lie down,glove came off in the fight with Nevill) that I think the bicycle may well have been used. I'd have thought he might have hidden it before the approach to the White House but can't explain why no tyre tracks were found.

[maggie]

He seemed to give Julie some of the story(using the bicycle,access via window,killing victims and telling Sheila to lie down,glove came off in the fight with Nevill) that I think the bicycle may well have been used. I'd have thought he might have hidden it before the approach to the White House but can't explain why no tyre tracks were found.

Yes, I agree he would have needed to hide it if he used it and he had to get to and from WHF somehow. I feel walking through rough, pitch black fields unlikely, it would take a fair bit of energy on top of everything else and he would have needed some kind of light/torch.  However having said that the fields would be deserted at that time of night with very little chance of anyone noticing a dull torch shone on the ground.
In the end I don't suppose it matters h on w he got there and back if he was proved to be there, that is the main thing.

[Jan]

Bamber's supporters often say the bike was forensically tested, with no evidence found. Was this really surprising ?

If Bamber exited WHF with no blood on him, then no blood would be on the bike. If he did transfer blood onto the bike, he still had a long time to clean the bike before it was forensically tested.

Testing methods in 1985 were no where near as advanced as now, so it was unlikely anything would be found.

What is much more interesting regarding the bike is that it was brought over just before the massacre. Something AE found surprising when she saw it outside Bamber's cottage. Julie also said he planned to cycle to WHF. The reason given by Bamber for him taking June's bike  has always been very implausible.

Do other people believe the bike being forensically tested and coming back with nothing, was nothing to get excited about ?

It does not matter about any opinions about the bike .  There was no evidence at all to connect Jeremy using it for the crime on the night.

So it could have been used or it might not have been used - end of.

[Adam]

It does seem much more likely the bike was used than not used.

Three miles is a long way to travel, twice in one night by foot. Using a bike will cut the journey time by 80%.

The evidence is the bike was brought over to WHF just before the massacre. There was a cycle route which passed no dwellings.

The evidence that the bike was forensically tested is not really a strong counter argument, for the reasons in the thread post.

[lebaleb]

It does seem much more likely the bike was used than not used.

Three miles is a long way to travel, twice in one night by foot. Using a bike will cut the journey time by 80%.

The evidence is the bike was brought over to WHF just before the massacre. There was a cycle route which passed no dwellings.

The evidence that the bike was forensically tested is not really a strong counter argument, for the reasons in the thread post.

What was the evidence the bike was brought to WHF just before the massacre?

[lookout]

That Julie could use it for getting to the farm when she stayed with Jeremy.

[Adam]

What was the evidence the bike was brought to WHF just before the massacre?

Julie said so. AE also said she saw the bike just after the massacre at Bamber's cottage. Which surprised her. 

Bamber in his police interviews was very hazy about when it was brought over. But didn't deny it was just before the massacre.

It was also discussed at court. The judge in his summing up mentioned about the bike being brought over just before the massacre.

[notsure]

A bike that happens to contain mud on it, The mud is consistent with the mud in the local area.


Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury you must find the defendant guilty 

talking about the jury i think i read somewhere that 2 jury members were crying when the others found him guilty,  was that true doex anyone know

[lebaleb]

Julie said so. AE also said she saw the bike just after the massacre at Bamber's cottage. Which surprised her. 

Bamber in his police interviews was very hazy about when it was brought over. But didn't deny it was just before the massacre.

It was also discussed at court. The judge in his summing up mentioned about the bike being brought over just before the massacre.

You meant brought to Goldhanger?