Another MASSIVE Lie

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline

That’s a good post.  First of all if what you say is true and we only would have Peter Eaton’s word for it.  If Jeremy wanted to purchase a high powered rifle specifically for the purpose of blasting his family into oblivion then he’s hardly likely to tell close friends or relatives about it since the rifle would easily be traced to him.  Did Peter Eaton ask Jeremy what he was going to hunt if he was so suspicious?   Your points about framing have me stymied I must admit but since I can only reiterate that the reasoning for Jeremy planning a murder that had to result in the staged suicide of Sheila when she was capable of anything on a night that anything could have happened leads me to believe that Jeremy would not have even contemplated carrying out the murders even if he harboured motives to do so.  The other reason that has me concluding that Jeremy was framed is that there are multiple instances and compelling evidence of the cops lying or withholding information.  This was only evident when Jeremy came into the picture as a suspect. 

You mentioned the upstairs door being locked.  Did anyone know where the key was or was it locked permanently with no key available? Perhaps you would like to explain to me why JB would risk a very probable life sentence to stage the suicide of Sheila as the only alternative on a night when such an outcome would be remote.

I'll answer your post later - shattered after work but yes, I can answer your question

[susan]

I still find it hard to believe that someone who comes across as so affable and open is very possibly a cruel and callous murderer but I know he's not the first nor will he be the last good looking young guy or woman to use his charm and charisma to dupe people and ruin lives.

Maggie when I see him I find it difficult to believe what he did and ask myself have I got it wrong but alas I think not.

[Caroline]

I still find it hard to believe that someone who comes across as so affable and open is very possibly a cruel and callous murderer but I know he's not the first nor will he be the last good looking young guy or woman to use his charm and charisma to dupe people and ruin lives.

The very same things were said about Ted Bundy Maggie.

[maggie]

Maggie when I see him I find it difficult to believe what he did and ask myself have I got it wrong but alas I think not.

Think that is understandable Susie, we don't expect people we can relate to, who appear to be just like us, to have such a hidden, inner unacceptable and terrifying self but it happens more often than we like to believe, it's not that rare, we just prefer to think it is.

[maggie]

The very same things were said about Ted Bundy Maggie.

I know, I do accept it but it takes a mind change and that can be difficult, not because you don't want to lose face or admit you were wrong but jst because we have to change our whole attitude.  I'm not struggling, I do feel at the moment as things stand I am more right than wrong but it's weird at times, I always try to see the good in people but am afraid there's nothing good about someone who can do what he did.. 

[Jane]

Think that is understandable Susie, we don't expect people we can relate to, who appear to be just like us, to have such a hidden, inner unacceptable and terrifying self but it happens more often than we like to believe, it's not that rare, we just prefer to think it is.

Jung was right. Our "shadow self" is ever present and part of who we are.

[maggie]

Jung was right. Our "shadow self" is ever present and part of who we are.

True, old Jung knew what he was talking about...... 

[Caroline]

I know, I do accept it but it takes a mind change and that can be difficult, not because you don't want to lose face or admit you were wrong but jst because we have to change our whole attitude.  I'm not struggling, I do feel at the moment as things stand I am more right than wrong but it's weird at times, I always try to see the good in people but am afraid there's nothing good about someone who can do what he did.. 

I've been around some VERY good people but also some VERY bad, I still like to see the good but accept that some people are only good for bad reasons.

[Jane]

I know, I do accept it but it takes a mind change and that can be difficult, not because you don't want to lose face or admit you were wrong but jst because we have to change our whole attitude.  I'm not struggling, I do feel at the moment as things stand I am more right than wrong but it's weird at times, I always try to see the good in people but am afraid there's nothing good about someone who can do what he did.. 

Maggie, it may be that all of us who changed sides felt it was "weird at times" 'cos it WAS. I didn't care for the thought of being like those who were condemning Jeremy, but when everything was stripped away and the allowances I'd been making began to feel like excuses, all that was left was his guilt.

[lookout]

How would you know what level of research anyone has done?

Through contact.

[maggie]

I've been around some VERY good people but also some VERY bad, I still like to see the good but accept that some people are only good for bad reasons.

That is true.

[Caroline]

Through contact.

You have had contact with him, but not with the rest of us!

[maggie]

Maggie, it may be that all of us who changed sides felt it was "weird at times" 'cos it WAS. I didn't care for the thought of being like those who were condemning Jeremy, but when everything was stripped away and the allowances I'd been making began to feel like excuses, all that was left was his guilt.

That's the nub of it  
I am not naive and acknowledge there is a fair amount of corruption in all areas of the establishment but I really struggle to believe someone could be in prison for 30 years with all the attention he has received, his continual assertion of innocence and all of his public support over those years without an appeal being granted if there was the slightest chance he may be an MOJ.
The fact this hasn't happened but rather his sentence has been increased is hardly convincing of innocence I'm afraid. 
But I am open to persuasion 

[Jane]

That's the nub of it  
I am not naive and acknowledge there is a fair amount of corruption in all areas of the establishment but I really struggle to believe someone could be in prison for 30 years with all the attention he has received, his continual assertion of innocence and all of his public support over those years without an appeal being granted if there was the slightest chance he may be an MOJ.
The fact this hasn't happened but rather his sentence has been increased is hardly convincing of innocence I'm afraid. 
But I am open to persuasion 

Maggie, then there are still the "facts" to consider. You know the ones I mean, don't you? All those "facts" -most saying scurrilous and unrepeatable things about the family- offered here, as proof of his innocence. Those pictures -God alone knows of whom- presented as being categoric proof that Jeremy couldn't have done it. Would it REALLY be so necessary to go to such underhand lengths if Jeremy was REALLY innocent?

[guest1199]

I agree there was an element of risk in any scenario, even buying a gun under a different name etc. has risks and after such a crime could have possibly been traceable.  If JB carried out this crime to my mind he must be disordered ie highly narcissistic and psychopathic, APD or the like.  People suffering from these disorders don't fear risk, in fact they are risk takers and enjoy it believing they are so clever and invincible they will not be caught.

The risk in this case is overwhelming and any plan to kill the family would be unsustainable set against that backdrop according to reasonable doubt.  If Jeremy had any psychological or personality defects it would have been highlighted before the trial or after it and would certainly be more evident in prison.  If Jeremy couldn’t acquire a suitable weapon to carry out the crime then he doesn’t do it. 

I am asking those who think that Jeremy is guilty to challenge their own thinking,  see the crime through a different lens and put themselves in Jeremy’s shoes.  I would like to see a plan of action and a narrative of the crime that results in the staged suicide of Sheila from the viewpoint that nothing yet has happened.  I am challenging those to posters to get from point “a” to “z” taking into account honestly all the variables that could intervene in the plan and arriving at the intended outcome of the staged suicide of Sheila beyond a reasonable doubt.
Hoots!