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Offline Caroline

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #150 on: December 02, 2015, 05:38:PM »





He's done a lot of " personal " research before committing himslf,so it wasn't always a case of which side.

We all have.
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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #151 on: December 02, 2015, 05:42:PM »
We all have.






Not on as personal a level as Bambergate though.

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« Reply #152 on: December 02, 2015, 05:45:PM »





He's done a lot of " personal " research before committing himslf,so it wasn't always a case of which side.

Lookout, he's as entitled to his own opinion as are the rest of us, many of us having also done "personal" research.

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« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2015, 06:01:PM »
Truth is although we have amountain of documents to read we still do not have the trial transcript or all of jms testimony and probably a lot more. Therefore how can any of us really make an informed decision.

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« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2015, 06:08:PM »
Truth is although we have amountain of documents to read we still do not have the trial transcript or all of jms testimony and probably a lot more. Therefore how can any of us really make an informed decision.



But we DO know, regardless of our personal feelings re the trial transcript, that the jury found Jeremy guilty.

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2015, 06:11:PM »
That seems to be offering one bad choice for another.  Why would there be any urgency? The guns at the farm weren't the only options available to Jeremy.  He may have been able to procure a more adequate gun through farm connections or through a magazine on a false name etc.  He still had to predict the unpredictable with the staged suicide of Sheila who was capable of anything on that night or face an certain life sentence. Only an idiot would take the risk and JB was no idiot, that's why he didn't do it IMO.

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I agree there was an element of risk in any scenario, even buying a gun under a different name etc. has risks and after such a crime could have possibly been traceable.  If JB carried out this crime to my mind he must be disordered ie highly narcissistic and psychopathic, APD or the like.  People suffering from these disorders don't fear risk, in fact they are risk takers and enjoy it believing they are so clever and invincible they will not be caught.

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« Reply #156 on: December 02, 2015, 06:13:PM »
Hi Tom,

Couple of things for you to consider - the upstairs door that led to the other stairs was locked so there was only one exit stairs from the bedroom side of the house and Jeremy did enquire about a higher calibre rifle. He asked Peter Eaton about buying a high powered automatic (of some description) with the excuse that he wanted to take up hunting. He was told that such a weapon wasn't sportsman like.  ;) -I agree that he was stitched up but by his own arrogance.

You still didn't answer why EP would frame Jeremy Bamber when they had a perfectly straight forward conclusion with Sheila as the killer. Nor when they decided to frame him?

Hi Caroline

That’s a good post.  First of all if what you say is true and we only would have Peter Eaton’s word for it.  If Jeremy wanted to purchase a high powered rifle specifically for the purpose of blasting his family into oblivion then he’s hardly likely to tell close friends or relatives about it since the rifle would easily be traced to him.  Did Peter Eaton ask Jeremy what he was going to hunt if he was so suspicious?   Your points about framing have me stymied I must admit but since I can only reiterate that the reasoning for Jeremy planning a murder that had to result in the staged suicide of Sheila when she was capable of anything on a night that anything could have happened leads me to believe that Jeremy would not have even contemplated carrying out the murders even if he harboured motives to do so.  The other reason that has me concluding that Jeremy was framed is that there are multiple instances and compelling evidence of the cops lying or withholding information.  This was only evident when Jeremy came into the picture as a suspect. 

You mentioned the upstairs door being locked.  Did anyone know where the key was or was it locked permanently with no key available? Perhaps you would like to explain to me why JB would risk a very probable life sentence to stage the suicide of Sheila as the only alternative on a night when such an outcome would be remote. 

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #157 on: December 02, 2015, 06:19:PM »


But we DO know, regardless of our personal feelings re the trial transcript, that the jury found Jeremy guilty.







C'mon Jane,the jury aren't the be all and end all. They're all fallible at some time. You've only to look up the list of MOJ's------------- partly brought about by the jury teams.

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2015, 06:20:PM »
I agree there was an element of risk in any scenario, even buying a gun under a different name etc. has risks and after such a crime could have possibly been traceable.  If JB carried out this crime to my mind he must be disordered ie highly narcissistic and psychopathic, APD or the like.  People suffering from these disorders don't fear risk, in fact they are risk takers and enjoy it believing they are so clever and invincible they will not be caught.

Maggie I agree Jeremy would enjoy taking risks he would consider himself superior to others due to his arrogant nature.

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« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2015, 06:23:PM »
In Jeremy's case half the paperwork was missing which left the defence with one hand tied behind their backs.
Probably the contents of the missing paperwork told a different story,something we've yet to find out.

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« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2015, 06:26:PM »
That seems to be offering one bad choice for another.  Why would there be any urgency? The guns at the farm weren't the only options available to Jeremy.  He may have been able to procure a more adequate gun through farm connections or through a magazine on a false name etc.  He still had to predict the unpredictable with the staged suicide of Sheila who was capable of anything on that night or face an certain life sentence. Only an idiot would take the risk and JB was no idiot, that's why he didn't do it IMO.

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Hoots to you!!  I have come to the conclusion that JB must be a risk taking idiot which makes me believe in spite of the façade he shows to the world that he has to be a psychopath or the like. I agree at the moment this cannot be proved therefore I am speculating just as you are.
I have spent 3 years reading documents and posts and gradually I have come to the conclusion that the reason there are so many blind allies is because he's guilty, once you accept that the answers are staring you in the face.  For all that, I accept I may be wrong and am quite open to anything which may suggest innocence after all.  So far you haven't said anything to make me reconsider....

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #161 on: December 02, 2015, 06:30:PM »
Maggie I agree Jeremy would enjoy taking risks he would consider himself superior to others due to his arrogant nature.
I still find it hard to believe that someone who comes across as so affable and open is very possibly a cruel and callous murderer but I know he's not the first nor will he be the last good looking young guy or woman to use his charm and charisma to dupe people and ruin lives. :(
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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #162 on: December 02, 2015, 06:32:PM »
Hi Caroline

That’s a good post.  First of all if what you say is true and we only would have Peter Eaton’s word for it.  If Jeremy wanted to purchase a high powered rifle specifically for the purpose of blasting his family into oblivion then he’s hardly likely to tell close friends or relatives about it since the rifle would easily be traced to him.  Did Peter Eaton ask Jeremy what he was going to hunt if he was so suspicious?   Your points about framing have me stymied I must admit but since I can only reiterate that the reasoning for Jeremy planning a murder that had to result in the staged suicide of Sheila when she was capable of anything on a night that anything could have happened leads me to believe that Jeremy would not have even contemplated carrying out the murders even if he harboured motives to do so.  The other reason that has me concluding that Jeremy was framed is that there are multiple instances and compelling evidence of the cops lying or withholding information.  This was only evident when Jeremy came into the picture as a suspect. 

You mentioned the upstairs door being locked.  Did anyone know where the key was or was it locked permanently with no key available? Perhaps you would like to explain to me why JB would risk a very probable life sentence to stage the suicide of Sheila as the only alternative on a night when such an outcome would be remote.


May I ask. Did that gang spend forever planning to rob Hatton Garden vaults believing they were going to be caught? I don't think there's a criminal anywhere who, whilst knowing the risk is ever present, actually believes they'll be caught.

These murders were less about Sheila's eventual "suicide" than making it appear as if a deranged Sheila carried out the killings with a gun conveniently left in a prominent position.

There are NO valid reasons for the police framing Jeremy. There is no logic or reason for those who were first informed -West and Bonnet- to have withheld information from Jeremy re an alleged call from his father. There was no logic or reason for the police to hide that they'd -so we're told-  shot Sheila. They were perfectly entitled to do so,in order to protect themselves, AND within the line of duty, if they'd considered her a threat.


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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #163 on: December 02, 2015, 06:36:PM »






C'mon Jane,the jury aren't the be all and end all. They're all fallible at some time. You've only to look up the list of MOJ's------------- partly brought about by the jury teams.

I don't make a song and dance about it, though, if I disagree with their findings. It was THEY, not I, who heard the evidence, and I can't start saying that every piece of evidence I disagree with is dodgy.

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Re: Another MASSIVE Lie
« Reply #164 on: December 02, 2015, 06:56:PM »





Not on as personal a level as Bambergate though.

How would you know what level of research anyone has done?
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