Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:

[Adam]

Another problem with suffocating Sheila after the first shot, is the pathologist may say the one shot Sheila did receive would not have killed her. 

So how did she then die ?

At the moment, Sheila is still alive after one shot. Suffocating her seems very risky. But Bamber can't afford to leave WHF with her still alive.

[Adam]

Perhaps you'd like to do a study of those cases where people have employed self suffocation as a means of committing suicide.

No jokes on the forum please.

[Jane]

Another problem with suffocating Sheila after the first shot, is the pathologist may say the one shot Sheila did receive would not have killed her. 

So how did she then die ?

At the moment, Sheila is still alive after one shot. Suffocating her seems very risky.

What are you on?  No one here has suggested that Sheila was suffocated -suffocation WOULD have suggested murder and the idea appears to have been to make it look like suicide-  so it's totally unnecessary for you to go through explanations of why it wouldn't have been a good idea.

[Jan]

I am curious, does anyone know if after Sheila was shot the first time and the killer had chosen to suffocate her with a pillow to finish her off rather than taking the risk of a second shot, would the pathologist have been able to tell she had been suffocated and not just died of her wound? 

that's an interesting question. Also it is important to remember there was not the internet/google access we have today so I don't think there is any chance that Jeremy would have known two shots suicides were a possibility . If it was him he must have been extremely stressed - but then he would have been anyway.

[Jan]

Another problem with suffocating Sheila after the first shot, is the pathologist may say the one shot Sheila did receive would not have killed her. 

So how did she then die ?

At the moment, Sheila is still alive after one shot. Suffocating her seems very risky. But Bamber can't afford to leave WHF with her still alive.

did he not say it would not have killed her straight away - not that it would not kill her eventually?

[Jan]

Well one of my options was suffocation. I would have to find out more about that. See how easy it is and how long it takes. Together with what sort of evidence is left.

He may well have panicked and fired a second shot. After so many shots were fired into each individual, he may have thought no one would notice just two shots in Sheila. It was a weak rifle.

perhaps he should of asked Julie - she seemed to know what she was doing when she tried to suffocate Jeremy

[Adam]

What are you on?  No one here has suggested that Sheila was suffocated -suffocation WOULD have suggested murder and the idea appears to have been to make it look like suicide-  so it's totally unnecessary for you to go through explanations of why it wouldn't have been a good idea.

Maggie suggested it. Page one.

Keep up.

Anyway, I have investigated this suggestion and closed the case. If Bamber wanted Sheila dead (which he did) and the first shot didn't kill her, he had to shoot her.

[Jan]

For steve - When the police asked Jeremy how Sheila could shoot herself twice part of the conversation was that Crispy could have done the second shot - meaning obviously the dog could have jumped on her and it went off - plus I think Jeremy was admittedly trying to be a smart ass because they kept saying Sheila had not shot herself twice ( although they accepted before that she did)

The police then jumped on the fact he must have been the murderer as how did he know the dog was in the room . And Jeremy calmly told them that the police themselves had informed him . Their response is not recorded.


Adam will keep repeating this as if Crispy was accused of picking up the gun and shooting Sheila - time and time again. Read what you want into this

[Jan]

Maggie suggested it. Page one.

Keep up.

Anyway, I have investigated this suggestion and closed the case. If Bamber wanted Sheila dead (which he did) and the first shot didn't kill her, he had to shoot her.

She did not suggested she was suffocated - she was quite rightly pointing out that this option might have occurred to Jeremy - because he was more likely to think this would not be discovered as a clue rather than two shots . I think it was a very good point.

[Jan]

As you said to me 'I will post to you however I want'.

I will post how I want. But won't call posters xxxxxp, 'xxxxxxxxx, 'xxxxxxxx etc. If I think something about the case is 'laughable' I will say so. Actually a lot of the case is laughable.

Although I did call a poster a xxxx recently after two xxxx about me. But two moderators confirmed that is acceptable after I reported xxxxxxx for calling me one.

Give it rest Adam - its boring now.

[guest154]

She did not suggested she was suffocated - she was quite rightly pointing out that this option might have occurred to Jeremy - because he was more likely to think this would not be discovered as a clue rather than two shots . I think it was a very good point.

If Sheila was breathing - fabric spore would have been found in her nose and airways.

[Jane]

Maggie suggested it. Page one.

Keep up.

Anyway, I have investigated this suggestion and closed the case. If Bamber wanted Sheila dead (which he did) and the first shot didn't kill her, he had to shoot her.

NO SHE DIDN'T!!!!She asked if you'd considered why he didn't. You appear to be the last person to come to the conclusion that he had to shoot her AGAIN.

KEEP UP.

[Adam]

For steve - When the police asked Jeremy how Sheila could shoot herself twice part of the conversation was that Crispy could have done the second shot - meaning obviously the dog could have jumped on her and it went off - plus I think Jeremy was admittedly trying to be a smart ass because they kept saying Sheila had not shot herself twice ( although they accepted before that she did)

The police then jumped on the fact he must have been the murderer as how did he know the dog was in the room . And Jeremy calmly told them that the police themselves had informed him . Their response is not recorded.


Adam will keep repeating this as if Crispy was accused of picking up the gun and shooting Sheila - time and time again. Read what you want into this

I've never said Crispy picked up the rifle. Crispy was found underneath the main bed. In the several hours before the raid team entered, Crispy could have gone anywhere.

Wouldn't it be impossible for Crispy to even accidentally fire the second shot ? A trigger still has to be pulled and his paws would be much too big to do that.

[Jan]

If Sheila was breathing - fabric spore would have been found in her nose and airways.

But would Jeremy have known that?

[Adam]

'have you considered (know) why didn't he suffocate her instead?  Sheila would have been unconscious or at least seriously incapacitated he could easily have put a pillow over her head or shot her in the head, mouth?  Wouldn't it have made far more sense if he had staged the second shot through the roof of her mouth as that would have seemed easier for Sheila to do?'

There is the quote.

Anyway I had considered it. It is in my poll.

I have just investigated it and it was not really a feasible option.