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Offline Adam

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My last poll had a very surprising result. Rather than Sheila being woken and Bamber using a variety of available methods to move her a few feet, it seems most posters believe Sheila was already in the main bedroom. I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised. It was discussed by Susan, Jan and Caroline in October and suggested again by April, Caroline and Maggie last weekend.

Have never seen a problem with Bamber getting Sheila into his chosen position myself. With the almost certain fact that Sheila would not have woken until it was her turn, and the absolute fact that Sheila's feet and hands did not have June's blood on,  there were only two options. Polls don't lie and posters do not agree with the police's version of events. 

A major thing supporters bring up was Sheila being shot twice. Correct claims are made by supporters that two shot suicides happen, to suggest Sheila shot herself.  However supporters never suggest Bamber may have found this out during his months of planning and would not have hesitated to fire a second shot.

Was leaving Sheila alive with one bullet and possibly surviving his best option, as supporters claim. Or was shooting her a second time and killing her a better option ?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 09:27:AM by Adam »
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Re: Bamber's options after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 01:51:AM »
My last poll had a very surprising result. Rather than Sheila being woken and Bamber using a variety of available methods to move her a few feet, it seems most posters believe Sheila was already in the main bedroom.

Have never seen a problem with Bamber getting Sheila into his chosen position myself. But with the almost certain fact that Sheila would not have woken until it was her turn, and the absolute fact that Sheila's feet and hands did not have June's blood on,  there were only two options. It seems posters believe she was already in the main bedroom, rather than woken and lead/moved there.

A major thing supporters bring up was Sheila being shot twice. Correct claims are made by supporters that two shot suicides happen, to suggest Sheila shot herself.  However supporters never suggest Bamber may have found this out during his months of planning and would not have hesitated to fire a second shot.

Was leaving Sheila alive with one bullet and possibly surviving his best option. Or was shooting her a second time and killing her a better option ?

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Re: Bamber's options after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 06:24:AM »
Must admit looking at the options, there are lots of reasons why Bamber would fire a second shot.

Have never been convinced of his possible innocence because there were two bullets in Sheila. Quite the reverse,  as two shot suicides are rare.

Sheila would have been in extreme pain after the first shot and would have naturally put her hand to the wound. However there was no blood on her hand. The 'Inheritance Killers' video says the pathologist said Sheila would be incapable of firing a second shot.

If anyone has any further reasons for Bamber to fire either one or two bullets, let me know and I will add it to the poll. Who knows there may be another surprising result.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 07:15:AM by Adam »
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Re: Bamber's options after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 08:56:AM »
Congratulations, Adam.  In your ongoing quest for aggrandisement, you've surpassed yourself in the stupidity stakes. You've limited this senseless poll to those of us who believe Jeremy to be guilty -those who think he's innocent believe he wasn't there-  and all of us, other than yourself, it seems, are more than capable of working out his numerous options for ourselves. We are also aware that, whilst alternatives and options are numerous, there can only ever be ONE choice and those of us who believe him to be there at the time and guilty of the crime, have no need of a poll from which to decide which ONE choice he made from his numerous options.

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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 12:26:PM »
I don't believe that on the night Bamber thought an option was to suggest to the police 'it was Crispy', 'it was automst8c gun nerves', or that Neville said to him 'she has' rather than 'Sheila'.

These were just things Bamber said when under pressure while being questioned by police.

I also don't believe that on the night Bamber considered the option that he could blame the police for Sheila's two shots. This has been suggested decades later by the OS.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 12:35:PM by Adam »
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 12:26:PM »
You don't even know the history of where or why the suggestion came from about Sheila already being in the main bedroom so it's probably not a good idea fr you to discuss it. As for the above suggestions; why would Jeremy 'suggest' any reason for the second shot? That would kind of put him in the frame so best for him (and possibly you) just to keep quiet!
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 12:33:PM »
I do believe that Bamber was well aware that his chosen weapon was weak. This is why he went straight for head shots at June and Neville.

He would have known there was a possibility that Sheila would need two shots, and he had read up on whether two shot suicides happen.

After firing well over 20 bullets into everyone else, he felt comfortable in firing a second bullet into Sheila, after the first bullet did not kill her. Although obviously he would have preferred one bullet to have done the job.

He had also steeled himself to commit a 5x execution. Leaving Sheila alive, perhaps to survive was not an option.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 12:46:PM »
If Bamber had not envisaged perhaps having to shoot Sheila twice, then he made an instant decision about what was the best alternative -

Sheila perhaps surviving, and blaming Bamber.

Or Sheila dead, with two bullets.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 12:49:PM »
If Bamber had not envisaged perhaps having to shoot Sheila twice, then he made an instant decision about what was the best alternative -

Sheila perhaps surviving, and blaming Bamber.

Or Sheila dead, with two bullets.

I very much doubt he 'envisaged' it! I very much doubt a two shot suicide was part of his plan!
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 12:50:PM »
If Bamber had not envisaged perhaps having to shoot Sheila twice, then he made an instant decision about what was the best alternative -

Sheila perhaps surviving, and blaming Bamber.

Or Sheila dead, with two bullets.


Crikey that must have taken you a long time to think that one up

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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 12:55:PM »
If Bamber had left Sheila alive with one bullet, what could his plan be ?

If he rang the police with the story about Neville's call, then the police find Sheila alive, and she blames Bamber, that really puts him in trouble.

However if he does nothing and Sheila survives, he can't claim Neville called him, which supports his murder/suicide frame  And Sheila would still blame Bamber.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 01:05:PM by Adam »
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 01:02:PM »
"Shoot Sheila again and suggest it was Crispy. This is in the police interviews."

Show the documents. Never read that one before lol

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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 01:03:PM »
I do believe that Bamber was well aware that his chosen weapon was weak. This is why he went straight for head shots at June and Neville.

He would have known there was a possibility that Sheila would need two shots, and he had read up on whether two shot suicides happen.

After firing well over 20 bullets into everyone else, he felt comfortable in firing a second bullet into Sheila, after the first bullet did not kill her. Although obviously he would have preferred one bullet to have done the job.

He had also steeled himself to commit a 5x execution. Leaving Sheila alive, perhaps to survive was not an option.
Hi Adam, If Jeremy Bamber had expected to kill Sheila with the first shot to the neck, do you think (know) he panicked when he found he hadn't killed her and without any thought shot her again?  have you considered (know) why didn't he suffocate her instead?  Sheila would have been unconscious or at least seriously incapacitated he could easily have put a pillow over her head or shot her in the head, mouth?  Wouldn't it have made far more sense if he had staged the second shot through the roof of her mouth as that would have seemed easier for Sheila to do?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2015, 01:07:PM by maggie »

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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 01:07:PM »
"Shoot Sheila again and suggest it was Crispy. This is in the police interviews."

Show the documents. Never read that one before lol

Will do later. Interview transcripts on Red.
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Re: Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 01:08:PM »

Crikey that must have taken you a long time to think that one up
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