Bamber's best option after the first shot did not kill Sheila:

[Caroline]

Will do later. Interview transcripts on Red.

Interview transcripts are on HERE!!

[lookout]

 I'm actually reading Doctor Craig's statement /findings as he entered WHF that morning. He'd been told it was a siege prior to him entering.
When his investigation came to Sheila,he clearly stated that,quote " Sheila's body was on the floor with a rifle lying lengthwise on the body,with the muzzle pointing towards her head and I think the right hand was on the butt : the appearance suggested that she had taken her own life.I only saw one gunshot at that stage "-unquote.

Dr.Craig had first spoken of how he'd found Neville ( who he knew ) which tells me that he'd gone straight into the kitchen when he saw two bodies.There was no mention of him going upstairs at that stage ?

The doctor went on to say that " when he'd left the house there was clearly an assumption by those present that the incident was a murder/suicide.I didn't dissent from this ".
" The reason I accepted this theory was based on what I had seen added to the facts related to me by Ch.Supt.Harris."

[lookout]

NB Bamber was outside at the time that Craig went inside via the kitchen.!!

[lookout]

Bamber did NOT kill anyone !!

[Caroline]

I'm actually reading Doctor Craig's statement /findings as he entered WHF that morning. He'd been told it was a siege prior to him entering.
When his investigation came to Sheila,he clearly stated that,quote " Sheila's body was on the floor with a rifle lying lengthwise on the body,with the muzzle pointing towards her head and I think the right hand was on the butt : the appearance suggested that she had taken her own life.I only saw one gunshot at that stage "-unquote.

Dr.Craig had first spoken of how he'd found Neville ( who he knew ) which tells me that he'd gone straight into the kitchen when he saw two bodies.There was no mention of him going upstairs at that stage ?

The doctor went on to say that " when he'd left the house there was clearly an assumption by those present that the incident was a murder/suicide.I didn't dissent from this ".
" The reason I accepted this theory was based on what I had seen added to the facts related to me by Ch.Supt.Harris."

So because he doesn't mention going upstairs, you're suggesting he didn't? Does he mention going upstairs at all? Does he mention coming down - if he doesn't, can we assume he never did? Grasping at straws Lookout.

[Caroline]

Bamber did NOT kill anyone !!

How does what anything you have posted point to Jeremy being innocent? The doctor didn't mention going up stairs so Jeremy must be innocent? 

[lookout]

I NEVER grasp at straws,neither do I invent silly suggestions or cobble-up nonsensical threads.

I've as much right to give my opinion/s as anyone else,without the need for any crass remarks.

[Jane]

I do believe that Bamber was well aware that his chosen weapon was weak. This is why he went straight for head shots at June and Neville.

He would have known there was a possibility that Sheila would need two shots, and he had read up on whether two shot suicides happen.

After firing well over 20 bullets into everyone else, he felt comfortable in firing a second bullet into Sheila, after the first bullet did not kill her. Although obviously he would have preferred one bullet to have done the job.

He had also steeled himself to commit a 5x execution. Leaving Sheila alive, perhaps to survive was not an option.

Have you listened to yourself?  Running on about a "weak" weapon!!!!!!  Had it been poorly?  Did it have a fever?  Do you realize that you're saying he CHOSE to use a weapon that he KNEW may take more than one shot to kill her and in preparation checked the possibility of two shot suicides.  As a one shot suicide is far more likely to convince than a two shot, given the effort you say he went to, any plans he made would surely have been to do the job accurately FIRST time.  He ballsed it up Adam, pure and simply, which left him with no alternative OTHER than choosing to take a second shot or risk her living.

[Caroline]

I NEVER grasp at straws,neither do I invent silly suggestions or cobble-up nonsensical threads.

I've as much right to give my opinion/s as anyone else,without the need for any crass remarks.

Yeah - well practice what you PREACH!!

[Adam]

There is a thread on Bamber's interview transcripts. I will get it for David.

It is amazing how evasive Bamber was.

[maggie]

Have you listened to yourself?  Running on about a "weak" weapon!!!!!!  Had it been poorly?  Did it have a fever?  Do you realize that you're saying he CHOSE to use a weapon that he KNEW may take more than one shot to kill her and in preparation checked the possibility of two shot suicides.  As a one shot suicide is far more likely to convince than a two shot, given the effort you say he went to, any plans he made would surely have been to do the job accurately FIRST time.  He ballsed it up Adam, pure and simply, which left him with no alternative OTHER than choosing to take a second shot or risk her living.

I am curious, does anyone know if after Sheila was shot the first time and the killer had chosen to suffocate her with a pillow to finish her off rather than taking the risk of a second shot, would the pathologist have been able to tell she had been suffocated and not just died of her wound? 

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4847.msg204169.html#msg204169

[Adam]

Over 30 'No comments' & 'can't remembers'. Over 10 -don't knows' & 'can't say'. 

Several one word answers as well as vague answers such as 'not really', 'I think so'  & 'less than 40 but more than 10 !' 

The police had to often ask the same simple questions several times in order to get a straight answer. He initially said he phoned Mugford before the police & could not remember what they spoke about at 3am. He eventually said Mugford was phoned after the police phone call.

Then there are his three laughable reasons for Sheila's second shot.

[lookout]

Yeah - well practice what you PREACH!!

ME practice what I preach ? I can't even get a word in on this pro-guilty forum because of all the " know-alls ".

[Caroline]

I am curious, does anyone know if after Sheila was shot the first time and the killer had chosen to suffocate her with a pillow to finish her off, would the pathologist have been able to tell she had been suffocated and not just died of her wound? 

usually asphyxiation leaves the eyes blood shot and traces of carbon dioxide in the body tissue.