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Sheila killed the family. And herself.

Even Jeremy's supporters cannot explain how Sheila could have done it. Although the crime scene is well known. Enough chances have been given. But point blank refusals are made. Most supporters refusing to even say what Sheila was doing when Neville made his phone call/s.

Myself, CAL and the police are quite happy to  give point by point explanations on how Bamber could do it. Supporters try to pick fault with how Bamber could have done it, while still refusing to say how Sheila did it.  Guilters being quite happy to assist and explain away the attempted minor obstacles created for Bamber by supporters.   

There are also a lot of reasons why Sheila would not shoot her mother, father, two sons. And herself.

Verdict: Laughable.


Neville called Bamber:

The last thing Neville would do is call Bamber. Even if they were 'mates' as Bamber is now claiming. Anyone who knows about the case, knows they had a poor relationship. And that Bamber also had a poor relationship with Sheila. So a double reason not to call from the start.

There are several reasons why Neville would not call him, 40 in fact.

Verdict: Laughable.


Neville called the police:

Even a lot of supporters do not believe this happened. It is a wild accusation.

Verdict: Laughable.


There are withheld documents which show Bamber is innocent:

Bamber has often boasted about how he has millions of documents in his cell. The long build up to the trial, the two appeals, the CCRC appplication and 30 years of lawyers, has failed to get a release. So it is now not surprising the focus has moved to documents being withheld.

However even supporters can't agree on whether he has everything or not.

Documents being withheld that 'would show Bamber is innocent'. The police force's reputation would surely never recover if this was true.

Verdict: Laughable.


Bamber has been framed by the police, relatives and Julie:

If innocent, he would have to be framed X 3.

This wild accusation has Julie framing him because she was jilted and the relatives framing him because they wanted the money. Very serious offences.

While the police were framing him because they shot Sheila but were too ashamed to admit it. So changed stance a month later. Although under no pressure to do so. Or is it because the relatives pressurised them ?

Verdict: Laughable.


Other reasons:

Things such as the two bodies in the kitchen, movement inside WHF and conversations about fostering all have perfectly valid explanations.


In conclusion there are not really any plausible grounds showing potential innocence. It's all laughable  :).

Do other people agree that the main planks of an innocent claim are laughable ?

« Last Edit: November 11, 2015, 10:20:AM by Adam »
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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 12:10:PM »
Who's laughing ?? Not me that's for sure !! How disrespectful and tactless !

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 12:26:PM »
Adam you are sinking to a new low ( if that is possible)

nothing about the case is laughable .

Posters are entitled to discuss as much as they like without you taking the mick.

Explain to me again if you are 100% sure - why do you start so many threads?

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 05:09:PM »
Don't think laughable is the right word to describe it, Adam. I'd call SOME of the supporters theories lacking basis, evidence and dis-honest.

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 05:15:PM »
Don't think laughable is the right word to describe it, Adam. I'd call SOME of the supporters theories lacking basis, evidence and dis-honest.

that is less offensive - but I dont think MOST posters are dishonest.

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 06:28:PM »
Adam, what exactly is your point and why do you post with such arrogance. You seem to want to antagonise and start a row.

whats wrong with you .

Debate ...?. Look the word up

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 03:18:AM »
Adam, what exactly is your point and why do you post with such arrogance. You seem to want to antagonise and start a row.

whats wrong with you .

Debate ...?. Look the word up

Feel free to debate each point.

Explaining how Sheila successfully committed to massacre will make it plausible that the only remaining suspect could have committed the massacre. Sheila cannot speak for herself.

Explaining why Neville would call Bamber at 3am is the next thing. You did not respond when I posted my 40 reasons why he wouldn't.

You haven't said whether you believe Neville called the police. A lot of supporters don't believe it. However Jeremy, the OS and public supporters like Trudie Benjamin believe it happened. If you believe Neville called the police, why did the police arrest and charge a man they knew was innocent a month after the massacre ? And why wasn't this in the 2012 CCRC application ?

Some supporters believe there are withheld documents, some say he now has everything. What do you believe ? And again, if you believe there are withheld documents which show his innocence, as claimed,  why did the police decide to charge him a month after the massacre ?

Do you believe in the un precedented triple frame theory ? Hundreds of people working together to frame someone they know is innocent. The police also persuading a lot of experts to fabricate evidence.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2015, 04:41:AM by Adam »
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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 08:00:AM »
Feel free to debate each point.
There's a strong possibility that all the points you raise have been previously debated ad nauseum.

Explaining how Sheila successfully committed to massacre will make it plausible that the only remaining suspect could have committed the massacre. Sheila cannot speak for herself.
This is an example of such. Posters have already explained this to the best of their ability given that none of them was there at the time.
 

Explaining why Neville would call Bamber at 3am is the next thing. You did not respond when I posted my 40 reasons why he wouldn't.
There have been enough explanations of this to fill a book. It isn't necessary to goad one person in particular if they choose not to add to it.

You haven't said whether you believe Neville called the police. A lot of supporters don't believe it. However Jeremy, the OS and public supporters like Trudie Benjamin believe it happened. If you believe Neville called the police, why did the police arrest and charge a man they knew was innocent a month after the massacre ? And why wasn't this in the 2012 CCRC application ?
 

Some supporters believe there are withheld documents, some say he now has everything. What do you believe ? And again, if you believe there are withheld documents which show his innocence, as claimed,  why did the police decide to charge him a month after the massacre ?
There is no book of rules. If a poster chooses not to answer questions they may feel to have become boring by their repetition, it is their prerogative.

Do you believe in the un precedented triple frame theory ? Hundreds of people working together to frame someone they know is innocent. The police also persuading a lot of experts to fabricate evidence.
Why are you goading Jan for a response?  You'll find the answers to/opinions on ALL the above questions on other threads.

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2015, 12:27:PM »
Feel free to debate each point.

Explaining how Sheila successfully committed to massacre will make it plausible that the only remaining suspect could have committed the massacre. Sheila cannot speak for herself.

Explaining why Neville would call Bamber at 3am is the next thing. You did not respond when I posted my 40 reasons why he wouldn't.

You haven't said whether you believe Neville called the police. A lot of supporters don't believe it. However Jeremy, the OS and public supporters like Trudie Benjamin believe it happened. If you believe Neville called the police, why did the police arrest and charge a man they knew was innocent a month after the massacre ? And why wasn't this in the 2012 CCRC application ?

Some supporters believe there are withheld documents, some say he now has everything. What do you believe ? And again, if you believe there are withheld documents which show his innocence, as claimed,  why did the police decide to charge him a month after the massacre ?

Do you believe in the un precedented triple frame theory ? Hundreds of people working together to frame someone they know is innocent. The police also persuading a lot of experts to fabricate evidence.

Its about time that you understood that everyone has different opinions. We are not all at the same stage of understanding the case . Some of us are still asking questions which is what debate is about. Whatever you believe you have no right whatsoever to lecture us about your assumptions which is what 99% of them are.


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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 12:30:PM »
Why have you posted in Red ?

No supporters have given a point by point account of how Sheila committed the massacre. It's impossible to do. That includes ex supporters like you. It is creepy that people support Bamber for 29 years, but can't say how Sheila did it. But I forget, you're support was because you didn't like Julie's court outfit.

There has not really been any justification on why Neville would call Bamber. It was a naff idea by Neville, he had lots of better options and reasons not to. Forty in fact. This is justified by Bamber's time wasting and reluctance to do anything constructive after waking from 'sleeping like a log'.

My post was a reply to 'Notsure', but Jan can reply.
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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2015, 12:44:PM »
Why have you posted in Red ?

No supporters have given a point by point account of how Sheila committed the massacre. It's impossible to do. That includes ex supporters like you. It is creepy that people support Bamber for 29 years, but can't say how Sheila did it. But I forget, you're support was because you didn't like Julie's court outfit.

There has not really been any justification on why Neville would call Bamber. It was a naff idea by Neville, he had lots of better options and reasons not to. Forty in fact. This is justified by Bamber's time wasting and reluctance to do anything constructive after waking from 'sleeping like a log'.

My post was a reply to 'Notsure', but Jan can reply.


Remind me, Adam.  How many times is it now that you've been banned?  Wasn't one of the -several- reasons for it, that you made inappropriately personal comments about the poster?

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 12:54:PM »
Jan would be the first to admit she lied about me. Saying I don't like other posters creating threads. I can only think it was to goad me.

I did make two requests for the post to be removed but got no response.

I wasn't banned for suggesting Jan lied. Two moderators confirmed to me it is acceptable to say this, after I had previously reported Lookout for calling me a liar.

You will have to ask the moderator, as my post on the 'we talk and talk' thread says I am not aware why I got banned.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2015, 01:17:PM by Adam »
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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 12:55:PM »
Shut your mouth.

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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 12:56:PM »
Anyway, I look forward to Notsure discussing the case. And after two years finally informing me and everyone how Sheila committed the massacre.
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Re: Main planks of the innocence stance. Plausible or laughable ?
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 01:16:PM »
Anyway, I look forward to Notsure discussing the case. And after two years finally informing me and everyone how Sheila committed the massacre.


I'd say ANOTHER ban is more likely.