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Offline Anglolawyer

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #255 on: November 11, 2015, 09:36:AM »
A shed full...
I believe you.   I mean no criticism of you, but it is not fortunate for Bamber that you lack the resources to get this stuff online.   I speak as a provisional pro-guilt person in this particular case, but I have seen what many pairs of eyes can achieve in these cases over time.

May I ask by what means all this stuff ended up with you?   Did a firm of solicitors release it to you on Bamber's instructions?   I also read somewhere that Bamber has access to the case file in prison.   Is that true?   

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« Reply #256 on: November 11, 2015, 11:05:AM »
I believe you.   I mean no criticism of you, but it is not fortunate for Bamber that you lack the resources to get this stuff online.   I speak as a provisional pro-guilt person in this particular case, but I have seen what many pairs of eyes can achieve in these cases over time.

May I ask by what means all this stuff ended up with you?   Did a firm of solicitors release it to you on Bamber's instructions?   I also read somewhere that Bamber has access to the case file in prison.   Is that true?

I came into possession of these papers, after the 2002 appeal hearing, which coincided with me re-establishing contact with Jeremy, after a break of several years (a decade of time, I think). I started to recommunicate with him again, as I say in 2002. I believe my records will show that I was actually back in touch with Jeremy before his 2002 appeal, but I did not take possession of all the material until after it had concluded. At that stage, with the appeal done and dusted, his solicitor, arranged for all the case file to be given to a trusted and very good friend of his. I believe this person already had a lot of Jeremy's files since before the actual appeal had taken place, but this hoarde was added to, once the appeal finished. Anyway, I had started to visit, write, and speak to Jeremy, again, and I became aware that he wanted me to give an opinion of the outcome of the appeal, which I understood to be 'DNA', related, linked to an examination of 'the' silencer. I hadn't seen any of this evidence other than what I had read in the newspapers, and seen in TV news reports, up until that point. So, Jeremy arranged for me to meet his 'good friend' on a shared visit at HMP Full Sutton, and shortly after this, although I continued to visit Jeremy, write to him, and speak to him on the telephone at least one evening per week, I was invited to the home of his 'good friend' for an informal chat, where I was introduced to the 'good friends' married partner, who was 'a BT engineer. This routine was repeated several times, over a period of time, until the keeper of all Jeremy's files contacted Jeremy and informed him that they were either moving house, or having the adjoining garage to their home renovated, and they couldn't keep his files any longer in storage. At that time, Jeremy was still in contact with Ewen Smith (solicitor) and although working behind the scenes (unpaid) he had been approached according to Jeremy to see if he would take possession of Jeremy's files, but couldn't. It was during a visit I had with Jeremy after this, that he spoke to me about the possibility of me having the files. This arose, because whilst serving a prison sentence at the same time as Jeremy has been serving his (1989 / 1990), I had entered into an agreement with him to provide support and advice to him about his case, on the basis that we had a contract between us involving book and film rights. This was at a time when very few people liked him, and he did not have legal aid to be properly represented. I was a serving prisoner myself at the time, but promised to devote as much of my time and resources into helping and supporting him for as long as I could, providing we had a contract. Well, back in 1989, we had such a contract. And, for the record, Jeremy even stipulated as one of the terms of our contract that I was only entitled to a maximum total of six hundred and fifty million dollars, in book and film rights. Anyway, that is just background information, leading up to how I came to be in possession of all the files. On that particular visit to see Jeremy in 2002, he asked me if I wanted the opportunity to keep all his files. He explained why, telling me that they could no longer be kept where they were at the moment because the current keeper was either moving house, or renovating a garage and therefore no longer had the space to keep all his material. He told me that his solicitor (Ewen Smith) had no room to store it all, and that the prison service would not let him (at that time) have possession in his cell because there was too much of the stuff, and besides, under health and safety, it would have been a fire risk. So he asked me if I wanted them, adding that if I didn't, he could not think of anybody else to give them to. Well, at that time I didn't have any room myself at home either, so on that first occasion, I told Jeremy that I was sorry, but I couldn't because I had no room, either. However within a couple of weeks, he persuaded me to have the lot, on the basis that all of it was material for 'our' book, and film.
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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #257 on: November 11, 2015, 11:17:AM »
He had also said to me at that time, that if I didn't take possession of the files they'd be destroyed, and lost forever...
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« Reply #258 on: November 11, 2015, 11:40:AM »
At that stage, I had to arrange transport to collect all the files from Essex and bring them home to Yorkshire. I had to put a floor in our house roof space upon which to store everything. Part of the arrangement we had was that I would provide copies of any document he asked me for, if he needed it, or if I had found anything I thought he should have copies of...

These files were added to, by Jeremy also sending me files obtained under the freedom of information act, and the data protection act. There was also a further meeting arranged with another female visitor of his, who had been keeping some of his documents, so that these could be handed over to me. Furthermore, meetings were arranged for me to meet up with Andrew Hunter, and we exchanged letters, emails, and I was invited to his Oxfordshire home for discussions over tea and biscuits. There was an exchange of copied documents and photographs on these occasions., thus the size of the material kept growing and growing albeit only by a little each time. Then, I think in 2003 I was in direct contact with Ewen Smith at his Birmingham office, I visited him on a weekly basis for a couple of months, and we exchanged copy documents, again these were added to the collection. I have ended up with a small amount (about 50,000 by Jeremy's estimation) in my possession and under my control, as compared to 2 million such documents currently in Jeremy's possession. What I have noted, however, is that in my file, are the original (signed) letters written between his solicitors and the CPS, and personal letters he has received from many of his women pen friends, part of his prison file documents, and things of that nature. There are witness statements, action reports, officers reports, trial transcripts, some photgraphs, etc, etc, etc...
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« Reply #259 on: November 11, 2015, 11:47:AM »
As far as I am concerned these files belong to me, but I would not hesitate to upload any material currently in my possession, if it helped Jeremy's cause...
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« Reply #260 on: November 11, 2015, 12:08:PM »
There are also hundreds and hundreds of hand written notes, written by myself at different stages of my involvement with the case / files and Jeremy. These notes represent my opinions about a variety of different issues in the case, sometime s my views have been changed because new material has come to light, or I have received some information I did not have or know about before...
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« Reply #261 on: November 11, 2015, 12:23:PM »
Thank you, Mike.   That is an interesting story.   

I think my biggest case to date involved about 50,000 pages of documentation and I have a good idea how much space that takes up (100-120 lever arch files for anyone interested - or 25-30 banker's boxes).   2,000,000 doesn't bear thinking about.   For documents in numbers like these, not only is storage a problem but so is collation, because if they get in a jumble you may as well not have them at all.

I am a fanatic about keeping orderly files so I will resist the strong temptation to offer my help, because the interface between your shedload of paper and my brain would cause serious harm to the latter.   Still, it's a pity that this logistical problem stands in the way of getting key material out there.   Anyhow, I now have a better-informed understanding of why that is.

Did you say £650,000,000?

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« Reply #262 on: November 11, 2015, 12:28:PM »
650,000,000 dollars
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« Reply #263 on: November 11, 2015, 02:22:PM »
650,000,000 dollars
Oh, is that all?   For a moment there I thought you were talking serious money.

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« Reply #264 on: November 11, 2015, 03:15:PM »
Speaking of " serious money ",what about the police chief who was given £55,000 of the tax-payers money for " help" with  moving house !.Questionable or what ?

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #265 on: November 11, 2015, 05:18:PM »
I don't suppose that confidential file on Julie got slipped in the papers by mistake did it?

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #266 on: November 11, 2015, 06:55:PM »
Sounds like you could do with some help mike.

by the anglolawyer, that stuuf on the other case is awesome as you put it. Why cant we get that on jb

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Re: Anglolawyer's theory
« Reply #267 on: November 11, 2015, 08:23:PM »
What a backward country this is.   A guy is rotting in jail for 30 years, claiming innocence, and not a small number of people have a keen interest in his case but they can't get to grips with it properly because the papers are not on public view.   In another case I am following, that of David Gilroy in Scotland, I read that his family is having difficulty in furthering his cause because they can't afford the trial transcripts at £120 per hour.   If we built one fewer aircraft carrier that will have no planes, or omitted just one botched NHS IT procurement, we could have transcripts of everything for the next thousand years probably.

Here is an American case, that of Scott Peterson.   Click on the link to see what his supporters have been able to put together.   It's awesome

http://www.pwc-sii.com/CourtDocs/TranscriptIndex.htm
That link is not working for me Anglolawyer,but going off Wikipedia the guy is scum and deserves to be in prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson

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« Reply #268 on: November 11, 2015, 08:27:PM »
That link is not working for me Anglolawyer,but going off Wikipedia the guy is scum and deserves to be in prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson
Well, I think he's guilty too, as it happens.   But it's a damn good site.   Google 'pwc peterson'.   That should take you to it.