Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??

[Caroline]

I cannot find Len Foakes statement?

No, it's not on here it's in Carol Ann Lee's book. Jeremy took the trailer to the field and walked back (not sure why he couldn't have waited until it was loaded), then walked back to the house. He said he asked Nevill if he would collect it and then told Len Foakes that his father would get the last loy and he (Jeremy) would process it in the morning. Len said he saw Nevill on the tractor at 10pm and Dorothy Foakes said she heard Jeramy drive away at 09:30pm. 

[scipio_usmc]

I agree and I think that's another reason he has decided to blog about it now - some 30 years later 

Something doesn't add up does it?

It seems pretty simple, he and his father had a spat both were pissed off by it- both conveyed it over the phone their last phone calls before the murders and Jeremy being pissed off likely gave him the kick he needed to actually carry out the murders. He planned it and wanted to do it but needed that final push to actually get him to do it.

[Stephanie]

No, it's not on here it's in Carol Ann Lee's book. Jeremy took the trailer to the field and walked back (not sure why he couldn't have waited until it was loaded), then walked back to the house. He said he asked Nevill if he would collect it and then told Len Foakes that his father would get the last loy and he (Jeremy) would process it in the morning. Len said he saw Nevill on the tractor at 10pm and Dorothy Foakes said she heard Jeramy drive away at 09:30pm.

Why had JB mentioned the time 10.00pm in his blog? I feel it's relevant somehow? I feel he's attempting to plant a seed....

[Stephanie]

No, it's not on here it's in Carol Ann Lee's book. Jeremy took the trailer to the field and walked back (not sure why he couldn't have waited until it was loaded), then walked back to the house. He said he asked Nevill if he would collect it and then told Len Foakes that his father would get the last loy and he (Jeremy) would process it in the morning. Len said he saw Nevill on the tractor at 10pm and Dorothy Foakes said she heard Jeramy drive away at 09:30pm.

Thanks btw... 

Something's bothering me.....

So JB planted in Len Foakes mind that Neville would get the rape seed in? Was Len 100% certain he had seen Neville on the tractor?

JB drives off at speed at around 9.30pm? How do we know he didn't stop somewhere up the road and walk back at this point?

Hasn't he already left the gun and bullets out at this point..

[Steve_uk]

Thanks btw... 

Something's bothering me.....

So JB planted in Len Foakes mind that Neville would get the rape seed in? Was Len 100% certain he had seen Neville on the tractor?

JB drives off at speed at around 9.30pm? How do we know he didn't stop somewhere up the road and walk back at this point?

Hasn't he already left the gun and bullets out at this point..

His car was seen outside Bourtree Cottage all night so he would have had to walk to the Farm or use the now infamous bicycle.

[Stephanie]

His car was seen outside Bourtree Cottage all night so he would have had to walk to the Farm or use the now infamous bicycle.

I would like to see witness statements confirming this....

Only I don't believe what has been written on the OS:

"At Jeremy's trial, the Prosecution had to overcome the problem that no one saw anyone on the roads or paths that night who fitted Jeremy’s description. Police accounted for every section of roads and paths, interviewing over 500 people in a determined effort to place Jeremy between the two houses.  Neighbours had seen Jeremy’s car outside his house all night. The investigation had been fruitless. This factor, coupled with the absence of any evidence linking Jeremy to the scene, the Prosecution had to be more creative in their thinking."

The above means nothing IMHO...

The same was said in the SH case which we now know to be wrong.

[Jane]

I would like to see witness statements confirming this....

Only I don't believe what has been written on the OS:

"At Jeremy's trial, the Prosecution had to overcome the problem that no one saw anyone on the roads or paths that night who fitted Jeremy’s description. Police accounted for every section of roads and paths, interviewing over 500 people in a determined effort to place Jeremy between the two houses.  Neighbours had seen Jeremy’s car outside his house all night. The investigation had been fruitless. This factor, coupled with the absence of any evidence linking Jeremy to the scene, the Prosecution had to be more creative in their thinking."

The above means nothing IMHO...

The same was said in the SH case which we now know to be wrong.

Nor would they have been likely to, Steph. It's an area where, if you want to avoid being seen, there are plenty of ways of doing it.

[Steve_uk]

I would have thought a car would be more likely to have been seen.

[Stephanie]

Nor would they have been likely to, Steph. It's an area where, if you want to avoid being seen, there are plenty of ways of doing it.

Which I believe to be true Jane.

I am not taking what has been written on the OS to be fact nor would I suggest others do either. ..

[maggie]

Nor would they have been likely to, Steph. It's an area where, if you want to avoid being seen, there are plenty of ways of doing it.

Hi Jane, I live in a country area and away from the main roads it's pitch back at night, to the point you would be disorientated almost immediately.  Is it the same on the route Jeremy would have taken?

[Stephanie]

I would have thought a car would be more likely to have been seen.

Who are all these people that saw the car parked outside all night?

Maybe they remember the car being parked there on another night and not the night in question?

As I said previously, I don't believe anyone should be taking this point at fact.

[Jane]

Hi Jane, I live in a country area and away from the main roads it's pitch back at night, to the point you would be disorientated almost immediately.  Is it the same on the route Jeremy would have taken?

Maggie, if you spend your life in such a place, you know it like the back of your hand. There where untold ways in which -on foot- he could have hidden himself. A car would just be one other vehicle.

[Steve_uk]

Maggie, if you spend your life in such a place, you know it like the back of your hand. There where untold ways in which -on foot- he could have hidden himself. A car would just be one other vehicle.

I'm not sure what you mean by "just one other vehicle". Surely the sound of any car engine would be heard at 2am by someone in that row of cottages..

[maggie]

Maggie, if you spend your life in such a place, you know it like the back of your hand. There where untold ways in which -on foot- he could have hidden himself. A car would just be one other vehicle.

I understand but I know the area I live in like the back of y hand but without moonlight it is completely black and I would be lost in no time.

[Jane]

I'm not sure what you mean by "just one other vehicle". Surely the sound of any car engine would be heard at 2am by someone in that row of cottages..

Sorry Steve. Once you get onto the main road -it's actually a B road- there is traffic. Not masses, but it's a route between Colchester and Maldon. At night, with the houses facing the road, one car going past, IF it's noticed, is going to look much like another. If it's particularly "throaty" it will have gone past before it can be seen.