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Offline Jane

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 04:36:PM »
he has just MADE it relevant because now he's saying that because his father didn't use this nickname - he KNEW the incident must have been SERIOUS. You tend not to think of the niceties? Really? Because Jeremy is saying that he DID think of it - it was the REASON he knew things were SERIOUS.  ;) ;D ;D


Just as well he took his father's "phone call" seriously then, and didn't hang about, isn't it?

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 04:40:PM »
Its the other way round. He is at the mercy of what his supporters do.

Ever since Mike decided to go off on his own theories Jeremy has been reluctant or too paranoid to share information with anyone except his legal team.

He made this up not them. Some of the other things they ran with were made up by him as well which is why he now has to be more careful because as he is trying out lies to see which ones will be good they are busy publicizing them.

Some of his supporters are not real supporters they just want to use his case for their own purposes while he is trying to use the for his purposes so you have people who deserve eachother trying to use one another.
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 04:41:PM »
he has just MADE it relevant because now he's saying that because his father didn't use this nickname - he KNEW the incident must have been SERIOUS. You tend not to think of the niceties? Really? Because Jeremy is saying that he DID think of it - it was the REASON he knew things were SERIOUS.  ;) ;D ;D






I don't attach any importance to it at all.

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2015, 04:43:PM »





I don't attach any importance to it at all.

No, but he did! And clearly still does!!  ;D ;D
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2015, 04:45:PM »





I don't attach any importance to it at all.

It doesn't matter whether you do or not, Lookout. I imagine he may have, and I think it's hoped the majority will buy it.

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2015, 04:51:PM »
It doesn't matter whether you do or not, Lookout. I imagine he may have, and I think it's hoped the majority will buy it.

It's just something else to boost the notion of the phone call - but people need to question why it took 30 years to make ANY mention of it - especially given that he's saying it's what made him realise that the situation was SERIOUS and yet he didn't call 999 or (according to the times he now giving) why it took 26 minutes to actually call the police? I guess he started laughing about the Film 80 joke all over agin and just lost track of time?  ::)
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2015, 05:06:PM »
He made this up not them. Some of the other things they ran with were made up by him as well which is why he now has to be more careful because as he is trying out lies to see which ones will be good they are busy publicizing them.

Some of his supporters are not real supporters they just want to use his case for their own purposes while he is trying to use the for his purposes so you have people who deserve eachother trying to use one another.

As far as I know he changed the time of the call in 2004. When he saw new police logs that's about it.

The exact time can never really be known as everything was recorded via pen and paper unlike today

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2015, 05:15:PM »
As far as I know he changed the time of the call in 2004. When he saw new police logs that's about it.

The exact time can never really be known as everything was recorded via pen and paper unlike today

He didn't see new logs David - he saw the log that the jury saw and why should he change his argument that he DIDN'T call as late as 03:36 in 1985 - to he did in 2004? He thought he could hoodwink people into believing that there was a call from Nevill and some people fell for it.
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2015, 05:23:PM »
As far as I know he changed the time of the call in 2004. When he saw new police logs that's about it.

The exact time can never really be known as everything was recorded via pen and paper unlike today

Clearly the real time was prior to 3:26 because 3:26 is when West had him on hold and called Bonnett.

He knew all along that West screwed up and wrote 3:36 this was discussed at trial during his testimony.  In 2004 is when Jeremy got the idea to use it to try to pretend Nevill called and thus to claim he called at 3:36 as West recorded.  He knew about the 3:36 entry prior but took until 2004 to craft a lie around it.

That lie actually hurts him with respect to the topic of this thread.  He claimed Nevill phoned 3:10-3:15 - saying he didn't call police until 3:36 is harmful no helpful to a claim he took a call from Nevill seriously and was worried by it.  Waiting so long tends to refute he received a call from Nevill.

He is using the 3:36 time though because his foolish supporters who claim this helps establish a call from Nevill and supports his innocence.  Legally the claim can't be made and is worthless but is being used fror propaganda purposes.  For people objective this is worthless because waiting so long to call police would simply make it even more clear Nevill never phoned him.  When you are surrounded by supporters who will accept anything without properly questioning it you are in a bubble and end up making up stupid things.  Using them to help you is hardly peer review you want to go to rational objective people to see how well revisionist things will poll with rational objective people.
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2015, 05:37:PM »
He didn't see new logs David - he saw the log that the jury saw and why should he change his argument that he DIDN'T call as late as 03:36 in 1985 - to he did in 2004? He thought he could hoodwink people into believing that there was a call from Nevill and some people fell for it.

From the phone logs. we have two separate times 3:26 and 3:36. If Neville did not call the police. then  police operators have made a mistake on the time this enables Jeremy to argue either way. Besides its another debate that's not going to prove anything. If Neville did call Jeremy I doubt he would have considered exactly what time it was when the call came only leaving him with a rough estimate to memory.



All in all it wont determine anything.
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2015, 05:40:PM »
Why write two out if there's carbon underneath each one ?

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2015, 05:44:PM »
Somewhere it says there were 6 different ones ? A bit like the 4 silencers.

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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2015, 06:16:PM »
From the phone logs. we have two separate times 3:26 and 3:36. If Neville did not call the police. then  police operators have made a mistake on the time this enables Jeremy to argue either way. Besides its another debate that's not going to prove anything. If Neville did call Jeremy I doubt he would have considered exactly what time it was when the call came only leaving him with a rough estimate to memory.



All in all it wont determine anything.

That West screwed up doesn't permit him to realistically argue either way.  Changing his claims just hurts him with rational objective people.

1) He claimed he received the call from Nevill around 3:15

2) He called Julie around 3AM even before the time he claims he received Nevill's call so this is a problem but he got people to say maybe he called a little later (so a slight chance he could have called after he supposedly claimed he received the call from Nevill) but surely no later than 3:30. 

3) He claimed he called Julie after he called police.

What does all this mean?

It means he needs to claim what he did at trial.  His lawyers said the call to police came prior to 3:26 because 3:26 is when West called Bonnett and that he was off the phone with police prior to 3:30 so then able to call Julie.  They said West recording his call at coming at 3:36 was an error.  This is how they tried to make his lie of calling Julie after police seem possible.  It also kept the gap between when he claimed to received the call from Nevill and time he called police to within 5-7 minutes. So though not immediate at least within a short amount to time.

Jeremy changing the time to 3:36 ends up causing a large gap between when he claimed to receive the call and finally called police.  If he called at 3:36 no way in hell did he call Julie after phoning police. Nor would he have had enough time to get dressed and get in front of police so they could pass him on the way to WHF so it is all an obvious lie simply to try to pretend Nevill called. 

The notion Nevill called before Jeremy is not credible at all because they would have told Jeremy and would not have asked Jeremy for the information they did (because they already would have gotten it from Nevill) nor would they have told police they were going because of a call from Jeremy had Nevill called.  Nor would firearms officers have received a briefing saying police never had any contact with anyone in the house but Jeremy alleged he received a call from Nevill. They would have been told Nevill called had he actually done so.  Thus Jeremy lies and puts himself in a bad position to pretend Nevill called though it is not in the least bit credible.  Not very bright...







 
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2015, 06:28:PM »
From the phone logs. we have two separate times 3:26 and 3:36. If Neville did not call the police. then  police operators have made a mistake on the time this enables Jeremy to argue either way. Besides its another debate that's not going to prove anything. If Neville did call Jeremy I doubt he would have considered exactly what time it was when the call came only leaving him with a rough estimate to memory.



All in all it wont determine anything.

I think West filled in someone of the details when he ended the call - the time being one of them.
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Re: Why Jeremy Took Nevill's call so SERIOUSLY??
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2015, 06:34:PM »
those times do not match up at all with julies original statement . So to pick and chose times to suit a scenario is pretty pointless .