Mystery of the presence of human blood both ends of the silencer, 13th August...

[mike tesko]

Similarly, I do not believe the 1st party knew what the 2nd party had done or were doing when Ann Eaton handed over the second moderator to police on 11th September 1985...

[mike tesko]

Police at that stage, were caught up in a dilemma, they now had two Parker Hale moderators, with both parties having told police that it (the moderator each had handed over to police at different times) had been recovered from the gun cupboard in the downstairs office at the scene, by David Boutflour...

[scipio_usmc]

Proof that the moderator relied upon during the trial (DRB/1) belonged to the Anshuzt rifle has never yet been established...

Sure it has, the only moderator collected by police until the middle of the trial was Nevill's. The  police looked over the Boutflour moderators and Anthony's moderator but didn't take them away. 

[scipio_usmc]

If it was the 14 baffle model, then to whom did the blood / paint contaminated 17 baffle moderator, belong to?

Nevill's was a 17 baffled model

[scipio_usmc]

Well, we know that ever since 1980, Anthony Pargeter had kept his own Parker Hale moderator at whf, and it is a now well established fact, that the blood / paint contaminated moderator, police say was used in the shootings, had 17 internal baffle plates, not 14...

He didn't keep his gun there since 1980.  He left it there for 8-9 months and took it home with him before the murders.  When he did leave his gun there it was in a plastic gun case, the bullets and moderator were also in the case. 

[mike tesko]

The most astounding fact of all, thus far is the the 3rd party never once mentioned in any of his witness statements, or during his COLP interview, or during his trial testimony, anything whatsoever as to the whereabouts of his 17 baffled Parker Hale moderator at the time of the shootings...

I know that some amongst us will whale on and claim the third party took if home with him at the end of the penultimate week-end prior to the killings, but such a suggestion is nothing but hogwash. The 3rd party's moderator was one of the two moderators that somebody from the 2nd party found in the gun cupboard at the scene, on either the 10th or the 11th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

According to Robert Boutflours typed diary extracts, his son David found the moderator, in the gun cupboard in the den, on Sunday the 11th August 1985. Yet the person from the 2nd party claims he found 'the'  moderator in the same gun cupboard, on the previous day, Saturday, the 10th August, 1985...

[mike tesko]

Different people were present at the time 'the' moderator was found, adding more weight to the probability that two different moderators were recovered at the scene, on different days, with different personnel present at each event...

[mike tesko]

But, as if all this wasn't enough, we then find that in September 1985, the person from the 2nd party, made a further witness statement, in which he describes the two locations inside the gun cupboard where he thinks he found, 'the' moderator. I believe the two set of circumstances described by him in that instance, represents each of the locations he found both of the moderators, one he found on Saturday the 10th August 1985, the other, he recovered on Sunday 11th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Who else, except of course, Ralph Bamber himself, is known to have been keeping his / her moderator at the scene around the time of the shootings?

1st party members - no...
2nd party members - no...
3rd party members - ah, yes, of course...

[scipio_usmc]

The most astounding fact of all, thus far is the the 3rd party never once mentioned in any of his witness statements, or during his COLP interview, or during his trial testimony, anything whatsoever as to the whereabouts of his 17 baffled Parker Hale moderator at the time of the shootings...

I know that some amongst us will whale on and claim the third party took if home with him at the end of the penultimate week-end prior to the killings, but such a suggestion is nothing but hogwash. The 3rd party's moderator was one of the two moderators that somebody from the 2nd party found in the gun cupboard at the scene, on either the 10th or the 11th August 1985...

Why would AP mention his moderator in written statements?  He mentioned it verbally and police took a look at his gun and moderator but declined to seize them.

Why would he just mention such out of the blue during his trial testimony?  At trial a witness is asked questions and they answer them.  A witness doesn't just sit up there declaring anything they want.

You are little more than a joke for making these suggestions and then you top things off with the lie his moderator was at the murder scene.  All these posts do is cement you as a dishonest hack.

[scipio_usmc]

Who else, except of course, Ralph Bamber himself, is known to have been keeping his / her moderator at the scene around the time of the shootings?

1st party members - no...
2nd party members - no...
3rd party members - ah, yes, of course...

The only moderator present at the time of the killings belonged to Nevill.  2 weekends before the murders AP had his rifle there in its case and in that case was his moderator, scope and ammunition as well.  But he took that rifle home with him.  If he had left it then police and the extended family would have found the plastic case with the rifle, ammunition, scope and moderator.  But they didn't find such because he took it home with him.   

[Steve_uk]

The only moderator present at the time of the killings belonged to Nevill.  2 weekends before the murders AP had his rifle there in its case and in that case was his moderator, scope and ammunition as well.  But he took that rifle home with him.  If he had left it then police and the extended family would have found the plastic case with the rifle, ammunition, scope and moderator.  But they didn't find such because he took it home with him.   

I thought he said he took the bolt away with him?

[mike tesko]

The 3rd party did not remove his 17 baffled moderator from whf before the shootings, his moderator was there all along, it was one of the two moderators a member of the second party found at the scene, on either Saturday, 10th, or Sunday, 11August 1985. According to Jeremy's current view of this matter, The 3rd parties moderator was handed to police on 12th August 1985, and taken to the lab' and provisionally examined on the 13th August 1985, then retained by Ron Cook, etc...

The Bamber owned moderator was handed to police by Ann Eaton, on 11th September, 1985, etc...

[mike tesko]

Get this...

A moderator with 17 baffle plates was at the heart of the prosecutions case at trial. Yet, it was never established to whom the moderator in question belonged to, nor that it was the moderator purchased with the Bamber owned anshuzt rifle. It could have belonged to any one from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parties. The only provision made by police to cover this possibility, was that they got a police motor cycle outrider to bring Robert Boutflours 17 baffled moderator, and David Boutflours 17 baffled moderator, to the court where the trial was taking place, just in case the defence raised the question of the moderators (DRB/1) ownership. Nobody thought about arranging for the 3rd parties 17 baffled moderator to be brought to the scene, or the 17 baffled moderators belonging to Peter Eaton, andseparately, to Ann Eaton...