Mystery of the presence of human blood both ends of the silencer, 13th August...

[scipio_usmc]

I thought he said he took the bolt away with him?

He said that on those occasions when he went home but left the gun there he didn't leave the bolt but rather took it home with him.  He didn't leave the gun after his last visit prior to the murders though he took it home with him. 

[scipio_usmc]

The 3rd party did not remove his 17 baffled moderator from whf before the shootings, his moderator was there all along, it was one of the two moderators a member of the second party found at the scene, on either Saturday, 10th, or Sunday, 11August 1985. According to Jeremy's current view of this matter, The 3rd parties moderator was handed to police on 12th August 1985, and taken to the lab' and provisionally examined on the 13th August 1985, then retained by Ron Cook, etc...

The Bamber owned moderator was handed to police by Ann Eaton, on 11th September, 1985, etc...

Ann Eaton didn't hand any moderator to police ever let alone in September.  You continue repeating this lie though it was proven a lie long ago.  Anytime you are challenged for proof you resort to cursing like a mentally deranged lunatic.

The only moderator found at the scene after the murders was Nevill's.  If AP had left his weapon at WHF at the time of the murders then the moderator would have been in the plastic case along with the rifle, scope and bullets. Who found his case at WHF after the murders and looked through it and found his moderator?  NO ONE.

Police didn't find it there nor did the extended family.  Indeed police say that they verbally questioned AP and he had his rifle and moderator in his possession they took a look at them though they didn't seize it.

You are aware of this since you posted the documents establishing this.  that is what makes things extra funny.  You posted the very documents that prove you a liar... 

[scipio_usmc]

Get this...

A moderator with 17 baffle plates was at the heart of the prosecutions case at trial. Yet, it was never established to whom the moderator in question belonged to, nor that it was the moderator purchased with the Bamber owned anshuzt rifle. It could have belonged to any one from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd parties. The only provision made by police to cover this possibility, was that they got a police motor cycle outrider to bring Robert Boutflours 17 baffled moderator, and David Boutflours 17 baffled moderator, to the court where the trial was taking place, just in case the defence raised the question of the moderators (DRB/1) ownership. Nobody thought about arranging for the 3rd parties 17 baffled moderator to be brought to the scene, or the 17 baffled moderators belonging to Peter Eaton, andseparately, to Ann Eaton...

My name is Mike I am a broken record.

Each time it is pointed out that only 1 moderator was at WHF at the times of the murders I am going to ignore it and repeat my lies that AP's moderator was found at the scene and turned over to police in August and then going to falsely claim Ann Eaton turned in a moderator in September.

Then I am going to attack Jeremy and his lawyers for not using my lies...

[mike tesko]

I don't have to worry about what knob 'eds are saying. What they say is hogwash. They are afraid of the truth, and I ignore them most of the time...

[John]

Lets see, in the stillness of the night, Jeremy Bamber and several other police officers were standing outside the farmhouse when the firearms officers entered. 

Q. Did he or they hear any shots?

A.  NO

QED

ps  They can't all be deaf!!

[mike tesko]

But other officers listening in on the phone link back at the control room did, and that phone with its handset off its cradle was in the same room where the shootings took place, and messages were passed confirming, (7.37am), the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, followed by further confirmation (7.38am) one dead male, one dead female, followed by confirmation that the body of a male and the body of a female, had been reported when at 7.42am, 'can you contact the police surgeon, and your Coroners officer, regarding two bodies, and as if there didn't already exist sufficient proof that two bodies had not been reported upon entry to the kitchen, how about 'LINDA' in the control being in possession of information prior to 7.45am, that one of these two bodies was a murder, whilst the second body was a suicide. Did Ralph Bamber commit suicide? No, he didn't. Did his wife, June Bamber, commit suicide? No, she did not. Could either the death of Ralph Bamber, and the death of June Bamber even be mistaken for a suicide? No, neither of them, since both were clearly murdered. So, that leaves Sheila Caffell. Did she commit suicide? No, she did not. Could her death have been treated as a suicide? Yes, it was for one month after she was shot. Almost every firearms officer, and all the senior officers present at the scene, believed that Sheila killed the others, and that what they were faced with INVESTIGATING four murders and a suicide. So the first two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, were the bodies of a male, and a female, a murder, and a suicide - this was reported and documented long before the discovery of the next three BODIES were found upstairs. Now, which three BODIES were found upstairs, all three BODIES that were murdered? Well, police had Sheila's death down as a suicide, so her body had already been accounted for downstairs in the same breadth as Ralph Bambers death in the kitchen, so the only three BODIES that were murdered upstairs, was June Bamber, Daniel Caffell, and Nicholas Caffell...

June Bambers death was not a suicide, her death could not be described or mistaken for a suicide, therefore hers could not have been one of the first two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, the second body found, reported, was the body of a female who had committed suicide, who was Sheila Caffell. The order with which the bodies of the five deceased were found in are as follows:-

(1) - Ralph Bamber (murdered)
(2) - Sheila Caffell (suicide)
(3) - June Bamber (murdered)
(4) - Daniel Caffell (murdered)
(5) - Nicholas Caffell (murdered)

So, run along back to the other site, and make sure you report the facts right...

[mike tesko]

What took place once the raid team entered the kitchen of the farmhouse, was being monitored by other officers outside the farmhouse via radio contact, and by officers Manning the HQ Control Room eavesdrop via the kitchen phone hook up. The officers at the scene, outside the farmhouse, who were listening to the radio messages being relayed from inside the kitchen to senior officers at the forward control point at the scene outside the farmhouse, also relayed what they heard back to HQ Control Room. The Control were relaying messages to and from senior officers situated outside the farmhouse, in the forward control point. Everybody, was listening in on what was happening. How 'LINDA' in the control knew about one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen being a murder, and a suicide, has not yet been established, but clearly there is a great deal of information which the police are deliberately withholding, which can only prove that Sheila was that female body downstairs reported by somebody at the scene, and being dead, and her death was being talked about in terms of her having committed suicide downstairs. This key information is held by a group of police officers, and perhaps civilian employees, who have no intention of volunteering it, despite the fact that by confirming these references are in relation to the body of Sheila, and her purported suicide, downstairs in the kitchen, which provides the perfect alibi to Jeremy Bamber, to prove once and for all, that he did not shoot and kill his sister upstairs in the bedroom, or stage manage her body there, to fool police and everybody else into thinking she had taken her own life...

Police already had Sheila's death down as a suicide, long before her body ended upstairs in the main bedroom, as confirmed by what 'LINDA' relayed to DS Dàvidson at 7.45am, that morning. How the hell could Jeremy have shot Sheila upstairs and arranged her body as a suicide there, when her body was reportedly found downstairs in the kitchen in the same breath as Ralph Bambers death, and her own death as a suicide?

How does anyone work that out then?

Her body has not been reported as only in one place, her body has been reportedly found downstairs, and upstairs

[mike tesko]

There has clearly been a 'Circular Conspiracy', to withhold the truth about the two bodies reported downstairs, and the other three bodies upstairs. I am going to produce a name list of all those involved in this Conspiracy, and where names are not known, I will speculate (in the interests of justice, and the public interest)...

[mike tesko]

'Circular Conspiracy' - the following named persons are responsible for conspiring to convict Jeremy Bamber for these killings, knowing full well that he had nothing whatsoever to do with shooting his sister and killing her. I believe they are doing this because they are all satisfied that Jeremy put his sister up to killing the others, and are exercising that well known principle of 'NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION', irrespective of police shooting Sheila and Ralph dead, or not...

[mike tesko]

'Circular Conspiracy' - the following named persons are responsible for conspiring to convict Jeremy Bamber for these killings, knowing full well that he had nothing whatsoever to do with shooting his sister and killing her. I believe they are doing this because they are all satisfied that Jeremy put his sister up to killing the others, and are exercising that well known principle of 'NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION', irrespective of police shooting Sheila and Ralph dead, or not...

If this be true, surely Jeremy would have needed his sister to survive, so that the fact that she had shot and killed the others, could by veried?

[mike tesko]

I have mentioned this before, that when I once confronted Jeremy with the suggestion that I thought he had motivated and trained his sister to fire the rifle, and that he and Sheila worked together to kill the rest of the family, including her children, his response to me had been, "YOU CLEVER BASTARD"...

[mike tesko]

His response on that occasion, remains crystal clear in my mind, it is something I will never forget, not because of what he said, but it was the manner with which he responded to me, and his demeanour...

He said, "YOU CLEVER BASTARD"...

[mike tesko]

He knows what I said to him on that occasion, plus his reaction, and he knows that at the beginning of 2004, we had discovered the mark of the moderator upon Sheila's neck around the lower bullet entry wound, and spoken to Ewen Smith about it. He also knew that I had obtained the photograph of Sheila's body on the bed, before police moved her body to the floor, and that I was hinting to him in the strongest terms possible, that police had shot and killed Sheila, which for some reason, despite all the available evidence pointing to this, he was not as enthusiastic as I expected him to be. Yes, we went our separate ways soon after this, but we didn't split because I wasn't doing enough looking, and studying of the facts, I got the impression that he thought I was looking too much into things he didn't approve of me looking into, or interfering with...

[mike tesko]

The way I see it, at the moment, is that Sheila shot the others, but did not finish off her dad, who ended up sat in the wooden chair behind the internal door. She had shot at him though with no less than 4 rounds, two on the main stairs region, the other twice downstairs in the kitchen whilst Ralph was in the process of using the phone - but none of those 4 shots would have killed him, outright, or immediately. Police shot her once in the kitchen, and doubled tapped Ralph twice in the top / back of his head which was slumped forward as they came around the edge of the kitchen door...

7.37am - "THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND UPON ENTRY"...

7.38am - "ONE DEAD MALE, ONE DEAD FEMALE"

7.42am - "CAN SOMEONE CONTACT THE POLICE SURGEON, AND THE CORONERS OFFICER, REGARDING TWO BODIES"

7.45am - "TWO BODIES, A MURDER, AND A SUICIDE"...

[mike tesko]

Look at this:-

7.37am - "THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, and THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND UPON ENTRY"...

7.38am - "ONE DEAD MALE, ONE DEAD FEMALE"

7.42am - "CAN SOMEONE CONTACT THE POLICE SURGEON, AND THE CORONERS OFFICER, REGARDING TWO BODIES"

7.45am - "TWO BODIES, A MURDER, AND A SUICIDE"...

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25 minute gap
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8.10am - "A FURTHER 3 BODIES FOUND UPSTAIRS, FIVE DEAD IN TOTAL"...

Police inside the kitchen, outside the farmhouse, and at HQ Control Room, had 25 minutes to sort out any mistake involving mistaken identification, prior to reporting, and recording the number (3) of other bodies found upstairs, yet no-one challenged, or changed, what had been spoken about and recorded between 7.37am, and 7.45am. This is because the content of the logs is true and accurate...