Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

I think as they got older they would have been introduced to Osea leisure and would have enjoyed it, we had a grandson of the owners where I worked and he used to ride in the tractor with me, he used to follow me around all day and I would take him for rides on the beach, his grandad was so pleased when he used to help me.  It was part of the progression to ownership, that's what surprises me about Bamber, he didn't seem to give or want this.  He never talks about them much, he never says me and the twins used to ride the tractor, we went for walks when they came over etc, I was always busy but I found time for the grandchild and the family respected that.

I think working at the Caravan Park was less monotonous work that driving the tractor or using the crop sprayer, but that part of the business seemed to be the prerogative of the Boutflours, and the concomitant resentment may have been why Jeremy was minded to burgle it. I think he did feel shunted into a siding which is why he overcompensated in his leisure time, which only made the dreariness of return all the more unbearable. No outward expression of love from either parent, which only drove Jeremy to excess once his teenage years came to an end.

[susan]

Exactly! typical of a Suicide not a homicide. Nevertheless I'm sure you are prepared to argue that Jeremy somehow shaped her facial expression after. Along with coercing her to write a five page suicide letter.

David is this suicide letter from Sheila available?

[Steve_uk]

Exactly! typical of a Suicide not a homicide. Nevertheless I'm sure you are prepared to argue that Jeremy somehow shaped her facial expression after. Along with coercing her to write a five page suicide letter.

The so-called suicide letter if genuine could have been written at any time. You evidently have no experience of anyone with schizophrenia in a confused state, and I'm coming to the conclusion that you are incorrigible after house painter Michael Horsnell's eyewitness account. You conveniently forget that she was supposed to have engaged in a mammoth struggle in the kitchen for control of the gun, during which a ceiling light was smashed.

At least you are engaging with me somewhat, which is an advance I suppose.

[guest7363]

I totally agree Justice and though I'm not usually a huge fan of sculpture I can't help but admire the craftsmanship and expertise of Colin's handiwork, especially the models personal to his family, and who knows what hidden talents the twins had?  Even if it turned out they had none it was such a waste and such a shocking crime.

I think this is why the psychiatrist who worked with him at Full Sutton formed the opinion and spoke about him being the most evil person she had ever worked with, the thought he was sniggering behind Collins back and on his jolly jaunts while the rest of the family were grieving showed the lack of empathy? 

[JackieD]

Poor Colin.  He writes so beautifully and with such love.

Well hopefully Colin will know the truth soon

[JackieD]

Steve, the title of this thread has always stood out for me.  It's a very thought provoking question. 

My personal opinion is that both of these men are the victims of a tragedy brought about by Sheila's mental health.  It's awful to try and imagine what she must have experienced. 

The torment leading up to the killings... and torment after the killings.  I imagine her skulking around the house, with the bodies of her victims, riddled with bullets.  She was the only person in a house full of corpses.  Her children and parents slain by her own hand - it must have been the lonliest and eeriest place on earth.  I wonder whether she walked between rooms and corpses, surveying the pitiful scene, apologising to them. Or, she was numb to it all?  Perhaps she was not and avoided the corpses and killing rooms because she couldn't face going in? 

My own personal belief is that both of these men are also victim of corrupt police and self-serving, arrogant relatives.  One man is aware of this and sadly, one man is not.

I say Colin is a victim of police and relatives - because he has been sold a false version of events - and his mindset is trapped within this.  I find that very sad. 

Who has the more rights between the two of them? - I really do not know the answer.  But your thread as lasted 96 pages - which is some achievement.

Nobody loved her enough, she needed someone to cherish her

[JackieD]

So sad Steve and to have it taken away by one mans greed, so sad we haven't seen this talent flourish, I think they would have been an asset to Osea leisure working with Anne's siblings, June and Neville would have been proud to see them working along side the family.

In your opinion ' taken away by one mans greed'

In my opinion a young man has been locked up for over 30 years because of xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx
I believe her and her father were the ringleaders in this miscarriage of justice

[JackieD]

I think as they got older they would have been introduced to Osea leisure and would have enjoyed it, we had a grandson of the owners where I worked and he used to ride in the tractor with me, he used to follow me around all day and I would take him for rides on the beach, his grandad was so pleased when he used to help me.  It was part of the progression to ownership, that's what surprises me about Bamber, he didn't seem to give or want this.  He never talks about them much, he never says me and the twins used to ride the tractor, we went for walks when they came over etc, I was always busy but I found time for the grandchild and the family respected that.

He talked about it a lot to me, have you ever spoken to Jeremy?

You haven't have you, so how do you know???

[JackieD]

Hi Roch such an excellent post although very sad and heart wrenching.  In my mind I see Sheila wandering around the lonely house so much at peace as she had in her own mind saved her family from the evils of the world I don't think she would have felt sad but happy she was shortly to be free of her tormented mind.  Poor Sheila she was I think let down by the system.  At the beginning Colin was I think convinced Sheila was responsible but he was fed erroneous information to change his mind and I wonder if he has ever thought how wrong he was to put the blame on Jeremy.  I have no source to confirm this it is just my personal opinion.

Good post Susan. I hope soon Colin might air his thoughts on the case again
He could be very confused by everything that has happened since the conviction

[JackieD]

I often think, with the twins being the same age as the owners son where I worked and the locations being close, the friendship they might have had, its sad that posters on here don't show respect for the family, they must have an awful lot of bitterness towards Bamber for taking these lives away from them, esp Anne with Neville being her godfather

You have to be honest to gain respect

[maggie]

Exactly! typical of a Suicide not a homicide. Nevertheless I'm sure you are prepared to argue that Jeremy somehow shaped her facial expression after. Along with coercing her to write a five page suicide letter.

Hi David. Do you believe Sheila killed herself leaning against the bedside table? Lying on the floor for the second shot? Or do you believe she was moved after death?

[guest7363]

In your opinion ' taken away by one mans greed'

In my opinion a young man has been locked up for over 30 years because of Anne Eatons greed
I believe her and her father were the ringleaders in this miscarriage of justice

Thats a big call Jackie and a very brave accusation.

[JackieD]

I think this is why the psychiatrist who worked with him at Full Sutton formed the opinion and spoke about him being the most evil person she had ever worked with, the thought he was sniggering behind Collins back and on his jolly jaunts while the rest of the family were grieving showed the lack of empathy?

Are you talking about Jeremy or Julie on the jolly jaunts

Could you post evidence about what the psychiatrist said about Jeremy

[JackieD]

Thats a big call Jackie and a very brave accusation.

It's common knowledge amongst Essex Police that Jeremy is innocent so someone set him up

Who gained the most from his conviction

[guest7363]

You have to be honest to gain respect

Just supposing they are innocent, they might still be suffering Jackie.  If you or the team have new evidence I suggest you let the courts decide,  at the moment I can't but help feel sorry for them.