Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

What was the date of this letter do you know? How soon after Jeremy was found guilty?

As you say, the repressed hatred is all there as is his disordered personality; his envy, his cruelty, his grandiose sense of self. I wonder how many other letters like this are out there?

The letter was written from Wormwood Scrubs on 2 February 1989. There are earlier ones quoted in Colin's book.

[guest7363]

The letter was written from Wormwood Scrubs on 2 February 1989. There are earlier ones quoted in Colin's book.

Have you got them Steve?

[Stephanie]

The letter was written from Wormwood Scrubs on 2 February 1989. There are earlier ones quoted in Colin's book.

Are they of a similar vein?

It's interesting how he attempts to dump his character flaws onto Colin, like for example referring to him as a LEACH.

Bamber is the LEACH who has been living off the murders of his family (The murders he was responsible for) for 31 years.

[Steve_uk]

Are they of a similar vein?

It's interesting how he attempts to dump his character flaws onto Colin, like for example referring to him as a LEACH.

Bamber is the LEACH who has been living off the murders of his family (The murders he was responsible for) for 31 years.

I agree and did you notice the word "cheapens" associated with Nicholas and Daniel, as if they were given some kind of monetary value as he realizes the Bamber fortune would be divided between him and his sister and therefore the twins would be in line for an inheritance? He is also fixated about the succession by lambasting Colin about any future children he might have, whilst rueing the demise of his own through Sue Ford's alleged miscarriages, and knowing that he himself will not have any chance now of procreating as he's in for the long term.

I will post some more letters.

[Stephanie]

I agree and did you notice the word "cheapens" associated with Nicholas and Daniel, as if they were given some kind of monetary value as he realizes the Bamber fortune would be divided between him and his sister and therefore the twins would be in line for an inheritance? He is also fixated about the succession by lambasting Colin about any future children he might have, whilst rueing the demise of his own through Sue Ford's alleged miscarriages, and knowing that he himself will not have any chance now of procreating as he's in for the long term.

I will post some more letters.

Indeed Steve,

Though I disagree with you regarding any concern he may have had in relation to procreating. People are objects to him.

As I've said before, there are so many clues in his communications. The comment about grief counselling which he re-hashed some years later in a letter to Mike.

His desperate need for attention (Good or bad) and of 'celebrity' status because he knows he is but an empty vessel, lacking of emotions and conscience.



GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS, MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW.NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOUR USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT, COLIN, ONCE, BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SAY YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEACH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF, IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL F*** THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE WOMB..

YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE,YOUR NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR FEEDING OFF.
                            WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS
                                       JEREMY

[Steve_uk]

Colin writes:

It was really my unnatural responses that first made me apportion blame-as a way of avoiding my own conditional shame-and the fact that, on some level, I believed it must really be my fault. My initial blame was a way of avoiding that fact. It had seemed to me that I only had two options: either to beat myself up or to point my finger at someone else who fitted that image. Another option, which was not then apparent to me, was to step outside of it altogether and tell myself that I don't have to identify with either. That's not easy.

There are also times we have very good reason to blame or feel shame: my handling of our marriage breakdown would be a perfect example-and there would be occasions that it would bubble to the surface again, as I would soon discover. But how I deal with it within myself is what changes.

Anyway I decided to write to Jeremy at Wormwood Scrubs, where he had been imprisoned since the trial, in the hope that he might furnish me with some of the last pieces of the jigsaw puzzle-and in a sense he did-but I was far from prepared for his response. It brought me back to reality with a jolt. It was written on 16 August 1988:

DEAR COLIN,

I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOUR LETTER TODAY, COLIN, WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOUR WRITING TO ME HOPING, I GUESS, FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED, IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.

THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION, COLIN, BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO?  YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY, YOU MAY NOT, BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED, BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU. IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO...

[notsure]

I agree and did you notice the word "cheapens" associated with Nicholas and Daniel, as if they were given some kind of monetary value as he realizes the Bamber fortune would be divided between him and his sister and therefore the twins would be in line for an inheritance? He is also fixated about the succession by lambasting Colin about any future children he might have, whilst rueing the demise of his own through Sue Ford's alleged miscarriages, and knowing that he himself will not have any chance now of procreating as he's in for the long term.

I will post some more letters.

Lets turn this on its head and ask ourselves what we would do if we were sentenced to prison for the rest of our lives for something we hadn't done. Would we feel hurt, anger, frustration, despair. What would we feel for those that seemed to be making money from our misfortune, how would we deal with it. Would we simply sit in our cell and put up or vent our anger on those that had got it wrong.

I feel sure I would have said something very nasty to those people.

Forget if you feel if jb is guilty or innocent  and ask yourself what would I do.

[David1819]

Why do you keep repeating this? Only one or two shots were at a downwards trajectory, the shots to the shoulder and possibly the arm.

The shots to the lip/law were also at a downwards trajectory. Read Vanezis trial testimony. I have attached the relevant transcript in this post.

It's quite clear, I wonder why you are attempting to make up something else?

I'm not. I wonder why you believe I am? 

[Steve_uk]

He continues in the same block capital style for another page or so and then closes with these paragraphs:

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME-I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL-EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

I WON'T GO ON, YOU KNOW ME WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
                                                                                     LOVE
                                                                                         JEREMY

[Steve_uk]

Lets turn this on its head and ask ourselves what we would do if we were sentenced to prison for the rest of our lives for something we hadn't done. Would we feel hurt, anger, frustration, despair. What would we feel for those that seemed to be making money from our misfortune, how would we deal with it. Would we simply sit in our cell and put up or vent our anger on those that had got it wrong.

I feel sure I would have said something very nasty to those people.

Forget if you feel if jb is guilty or innocent  and ask yourself what would I do.

Did he ever have the slightest inkling of the impact of his crimes or prepare in any way for the aftermath? He knows like the fox that the killing of Nicholas and Daniel was totally unjustifiable which is why he brought them into the letter, mentioning them by name. They died along with Sheila so he did not have to share the spoils, they were not emotionally disturbed but had survived the school of hard knocks and felt a compassion for their fellow friends unique in children of their age, a trait they had inherited from both their unassuming, altruistic parents.

[Caroline]

Well I don't believe for a second that jb would have thought to deliberately leave a tampon tube anywhere. How would he have known she was on a period, most unlikely imo

I don't think anyone mentioned that Jeremy left it there Notsure?

[Caroline]

Lets turn this on its head and ask ourselves what we would do if we were sentenced to prison for the rest of our lives for something we hadn't done. Would we feel hurt, anger, frustration, despair. What would we feel for those that seemed to be making money from our misfortune, how would we deal with it. Would we simply sit in our cell and put up or vent our anger on those that had got it wrong.

I feel sure I would have said something very nasty to those people.

Forget if you feel if jb is guilty or innocent  and ask yourself what would I do.

Are you sure you're not sure Noture? 

[Stephanie]

Lets turn this on its head and ask ourselves what we would do if we were sentenced to prison for the rest of our lives for something we hadn't done. Would we feel hurt, anger, frustration, despair. What would we feel for those that seemed to be making money from our misfortune, how would we deal with it. Would we simply sit in our cell and put up or vent our anger on those that had got it wrong.

I feel sure I would have said something very nasty to those people.

Forget if you feel if jb is guilty or innocent  and ask yourself what would I do.

This is what YOU feel sure you would do, you do not talk for the rest of us. These are your beliefs.

[Stephanie]

He continues in the same block capital style for another page or so and then closes with these paragraphs:

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME-I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL-EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

I WON'T GO ON, YOU KNOW ME WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER
                                                                                     LOVE
                                                                                         JEREMY

Now where have I heard this before. 

Out of interest, where have the claims of him breaking someones arm at school and raping Julie come from?

[Stephanie]

The letter was written from Wormwood Scrubs on 2 February 1989. There are earlier ones quoted in Colin's book.

His letters also show clearly how his emotional development is stunted. This is a man with no boundaries, nothing is taboo.

He just doesn't care. His only concern is Jeremy Bamber.