Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Caroline]

I wonder if I am making myself clear.

It is vanishingly unlikely a young woman will be murdered on any given evening.
It is vanishingly unlikely a young woman will leave her menstrual stained knickers in her mother's kitchen then go to bed.

If we can find a connection between these two matters we might resolve a mystery.
I have shown how this can be, but neither defender nor aggressor sees the significance.
Sherlock Holmes surely would, fictional he may be, but he is the schematic sleuth, one who understands.

It's vanishingly obvious that you are ignoring those facts that don't fit, are making a mountain out of a mole hill and are way off the mark by obsessing over Sheila's stained underwear!!

[Samson]

The applicator has TWO parts, only one was found next to the toy gun, completely devoid of blood staining. Sheila didn't leave period blood in the kitchen, just some stained clothing which could have been left to soak by June. Her knickers were NOT the only clothes left to soak but you keep ignoring that. This shows that it wasn't unusual to soak clothes before washing - not sure about NZ but it's pretty common here!!

Do all English women allow bloody knickers to be seen by the general household?
Why have I never seen bloody knickers? Wife, daughter and so on.
We are farmers too you know.

For pity's sake, the case does not rest on this matter, yet it is commonplace that every datapoint founders when an innocent person gets jailed, the list is long and the pattern repeats and repeats like indigestion.

[guest2181]

Please Hartley, bring to the discussion an explanation that contradicts this, but explains a young woman retiring to bed after leaving a disgraceful and negligent hygiene construct.

Obviously we are all speculating, however:

There are various items of clothing soaking in preparation to be washed, items belonging to both Sheila and her children.
Is it not simply the case that either Sheila, or more likely June, gathered up the dirty washing earlier in the day, noted some items required soaking and so placed them in a bucket of water?

As for the tampon box or applicator, I have not in my experience, known people to have left such things lying around in living rooms, it seems a strange place for it to be. Hence my suggestion that it was placed there by JB to further enhance the perception of Sheila moving around the house and acting weird.

[guest2181]

Hartley, the complete tampax is composed of what was in her body and what was in the living room. The knickers in the kitchen are unique. I know this because it is true, and you know this too. You will do a rapid thought experiment to imagine all the young women you have ever known who leave their period blood in the kitchen.
But you won't because you clearly need to toe the party line. The alternative is too difficult for mortal man. I mourn for your lost integrity.

Dirty clothes require washing.

Dirty clothes get washed in the kitchen/utility room.

I'm sure you can therefore use your imagination to fill in the gaps. 

[Samson]

Obviously we are all speculating, however:

There are various items of clothing soaking in preparation to be washed, items belonging to both Sheila and her children.
Is it not simply the case that either Sheila, or more likely June, gathered up the dirty washing earlier in the day, noted some items required soaking and so placed them in a bucket of water?

As for the tampon box or applicator, I have not in my experience, known people to have left such things lying around in living rooms, it seems a strange place for it to be. Hence my suggestion that it was placed there by JB to further enhance the perception of Sheila moving around the house and acting weird.

Ok, it seems we now have

Sheila tossed her knickers in the communal laundry pool, yet they were separated and placed in their own bucket in the kitchen? I don't think so. They would not be left in the kitchen and then everyone goes to bed.
Suggesting Bamber staged the applicator ignores the fact that the found scene finds complete componentry either in the lounge or in Sheila, so somehow allows JB to fluke this.
Desperate Hartley, just not realistic.

[Caroline]

Ok, it seems we now have

Sheila tossed her knickers in the communal laundry pool, yet they were separated and placed in their own bucket in the kitchen? I don't think so. They would not be left in the kitchen and then everyone goes to bed.
Suggesting Bamber staged the applicator ignores the fact that the found scene finds complete componentry either in the lounge or in Sheila, so somehow allows JB to fluke this.
Desperate Hartley, just not realistic.

Certain stains require soaking in cold water before being washed - blood happens to be one of them. They weren't just left in the kitchen, they were contained in a bucket out of the way.

[guest2181]

Ok, it seems we now have

Sheila tossed her knickers in the communal laundry pool, yet they were separated and placed in their own bucket in the kitchen? I don't think so. They would not be left in the kitchen and then everyone goes to bed.
Suggesting Bamber staged the applicator ignores the fact that the found scene finds complete componentry either in the lounge or in Sheila, so somehow allows JB to fluke this.
Desperate Hartley, just not realistic.

Washing clothes isn't realistic? Oh okay then. 

It seems quite normal to me but if you have other thoughts then that's your prerogative. Not sure why you're just picking on the underwear though, the jogging bottoms must surely blow your mind.

[guest2181]

Funnily enough, Ann appears to be similarly bewildered by the tampon box/applicator being located in the lounge.

[lookout]

So in view of the unmentionable/s on the dining room table,Neville perhaps WAS enjoying a nightcap before Sheila joined him in there and in her mental haze placed the empty box down on the table.

[Caroline]

So in view of the unmentionable/s on the dining room table,Neville perhaps WAS enjoying a nightcap before Sheila joined him in there and in her mental haze placed the empty box down on the table.

'Unmentionables'? Are we in the dark ages or what? It was a cardboard tube! I doubt Nevill (even if he'd seen it) would even know what it was - June too for that matter!!

[lookout]

'Unmentionables'? Are we in the dark ages or what? It was a cardboard tube! I doubt Nevill (even if he'd seen it) would even know what it was - June too for that matter!!

I understood it to have been the box that they were in,advertising the fact. ( dangerous things anyway)
They cause anaphylactic shocks.

[Caroline]

I understood it to have been the box that they were in,advertising the fact. ( dangerous things anyway)
They cause anaphylactic shocks.

No, just one of the cardboard tube applicators and they don't cause anaphylactic shock if used correctly.

For people who are confused about what was actually found, please refer to the picture below. ONE of the two applicator tubes was found next to a toy gun. It had no blood on it, there were no used sanitary products found - just the tube.

[notsure]

Well I don't believe for a second that jb would have thought to deliberately leave a tampon tube anywhere. How would he have known she was on a period, most unlikely imo

[susan]

Well I don't believe for a second that jb would have thought to deliberately leave a tampon tube anywhere. How would he have known she was on a period, most unlikely imo

Hi notsure

I agree with you on this one JB would not know about her period and if Sheila had left it in the lounge earlier June would have moved it as she would not want the children picking it up and back then periods/tampons were not talked about especially with parents that was the way in my home

[Stephanie]

"How little a person knows what is in himself. To see all the fissures and fractures, to throw light into the dark cavities, to see the landscape of a mind and recognize no part of it but know that it is yours is a fearful and disturbing thing."

GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS, MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW.NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOUR USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT, COLIN, ONCE, BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SAY YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEACH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF, IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL F*** THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE WOMB..

YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE,YOUR NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR FEEDING OFF.
                            WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS
                                       JEREMY

I've never met Colin, but I feel as though I have through reading his book. That's some achievement. One thing I will tell you is that Colin is his own harshest critic. He will have run through the incident which no mortal should have to endure (and which most of us can forget on a daily basis) for many years. It's Jeremy who is now irreparably damaged, whilst Colin has moved on and goodness knows how. Maybe the workshops made him come to the realization what a nonentity Jeremy really is, and the repressed hatred of which the letters were symptomatic are testament to it, of a life which could have held a value for others, but which ended up and will end up in an all-encompassing nihilism, where a confession is precluded by a still all-consuming expectation of material gain, which will not be forthcoming.

What was the date of this letter do you know? How soon after Jeremy was found guilty?

As you say, the repressed hatred is all there as is his disordered personality; his envy, his cruelty, his grandiose sense of self. I wonder how many other letters like this are out there?